It is interesting to think about, but I didn’t make that equivalence. I don’t want to eat liver and I don’t want to eat a Jeep. That doesn’t mean that I think liver is a Jeep.
Yeah, “hang-up” sounds about right, considering that you admit you don’t have a logical reason for it.
I’m still going with fetish.
What are your logical reasons for not wanting to have sex with men? (Assuming you’re hetero.) What kind of hang-up is that?
I think the rub of the question is the “obligation” part, though. You’d have to explain the obligation beyond the fetishization of trans people or a fear or being an accidental homosexual.
I would keep such perverted desires to myself if I were you, you weirdo. 
Maybe. Not everyone does a full inspection or even has sex with much lighting. And there’s a pretty wide range among human anatomy.
Maybe. On average there’s a decent amount of sexual dimorphism in humans, but there are certainly individuals who are within range of both sexes.
Confirmation bias. You only know that you know one trans person. You have no idea how many people you know might be passing.
I voted that there is an obligation, but I’d consider that only to exist for longer-term relationships. I think the only obligation you have to a one-night stand is to inform them if they’re at risk of contracting a disease. But for a longer relationship, I think all parties should disclose relevant sexual history.
True enough.
Yeah, I cringe at the word “obligation,” but it’s a very good idea, particularly if you’re discussing future kids, needed on-going medical care/issues, etc.
Also, it’s probably a good idea to find out if your beloved is transphobic before ya get hitched.
I’m not hetero, as it happens, but there’s a perfectly logical reason a straight man would not want to have sex with another man - he doesn’t find men attractive. Now, attraction is of course fairly non-rational itself: we like what we like, and we don’t have a lot of say in the matter. But in this case, we’re talking about someone who has transitioned so successfully that you can’t tell they used to be a man, even after you’ve had sex, unless they tell you. Someone whom you presumably find attractive, until you find out that they’re trans. You’re saying you wouldn’t want to sleep with that person, as near as I can tell, entirely on the basis of what they used to look like. You have to admit, that’s pretty absurd.
What are we talking about as far as “partners”? Does that mean somebody you’re hooking up with for the night or somebody you’re getting married to?
Exactly.
That’s not what I’m saying. Like I said, I can’t explain it, nor should I have to. As you said, attraction is non-rational.
I don’t believe I have to admit that.
I said yes. Basic honor and integrity would demand it.
Yes; I voted “no” because while I think it’s probably a good idea, “obligation” is too strong a term.
Not this shit again. :rolleyes: I’m not reading it. Bye.
Oops I accidentally a homo?
Thank God you came in here to tell us you would not be reading this thread otherwise I would have been really worried.
It’s that this subject has been done to death countless times already, and each time it triggers a flood of transphobic hate, as if it provided a pretext for the expression of such transphobia. So damn sick of it.
Some people will be ‘I would never have become involved with you if I knew. But, now that I have I am glad and accept you’.
Others will be ‘I would never have become involved with you if I knew. So let me get my knife or gun and beat and kill you’.
Well, here’s the thing. If you’re thinking of having sex with someone, and you tell them you’re <whatever>, and after you tell them they don’t want to have sex with you, then that’s GOOD. If you’re <whatever>, and someone looks down on <whatever> and doesn’t want to associate with <whatever>, then you probably want to find that out before you get naked with them.
The problem with “You don’t have to tell tricks, just people you want an LTR with” is that what if you hook up with someone and develop feelings for them? If you’d never have an LTR with the type of person you’d hook up with, that’s kind of fucked up.
I’m having trouble keeping the two transthreads separate, so this may be in the wrong thread.
I object to the phrases “born a man” “used to be a man” and so forth. I concede that a transwoman may have been born with a penis, testes and XY chromosomes. I deny that she was ever a man.
If some other mad scientist stuck my brain in a robot body, I would not be a robot. I would be a man in a robot body. If he stuck my brain in a woman, I would NOT be a woman. I would be a man in a woman’s body.
warning PDF
http://www.gires.org.uk/Text_Assets/maletofemale.pdf
Short version- there are indeed such things as a male brain and a female brain. It is indeed possible for all the sex indicators to line up as male and have a female brain. It is possible for all the sex indicators to line up as female and have a male brain.
Looks like the research on this has been done on adult brains only. So how do you know that the gender of the brain is immutable? Does anyone know if the brain even has a particular gender at birth?