Valid questions
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one [1] male-to-female individual who had undergone no treatment whatever, but who had always strongly identified as female,
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If hormonal therapy changed the stria terminalis, why did this individual who had never been on hormonal therapy still have a female ST?
Some of my other bookmarks have expired so I’m off to do more research.
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*Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. *The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
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From this abstract Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus - PubMed
Here we have a man who has had 3 to 4 times the usual amount of estrogen in his system. He still had a male ST. If the stria terminalis was mutable, or effected by hormones in adulthood, this should not be the case.
From here, first paragraph under Discussion http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.long
I am not a neurologist, but is it possible that neuron density runs on a “use it or lose it” principle? Maybe culturally acquired modes of “thinking like a male” or “thinking like a female” reinforce the gender of the BSTc independently of the hormonal system. Which opens the question of when in ontogeny brain gender becomes fixed, and when, if ever, it can be disrupted to go the other way.
I’ll believe transgender people when they say they knew their gender when they were 4, but I don’t believe anyone, myself included, who say they knew their gender when they were 1.
If that were true, we would expect fey homosexuals to have female STs and butch lesbians to have male STs. This does not seem to be the case.
Plus, they took sexual orientation into account
So, to be clear - you meet a woman, and are attracted to her. You date, even sleep together, and are consistently attracted to her. Then she tells you that five years ago, she had SRS, and suddenly, you’re no longer attracted to her?
That’s not a matter of attraction, that’s a hang-up over your expectations about gender roles.
Is it that unusual though?
For having sex with someone I just need some kind of physical or mental attraction.
For a relationship I need someone I can enjoy to live with 24/7 and who can support me, and whom I can support, when things go bad.
I know many people are different, but I don’t think I’m odd in that.
Quick question… why do we feed this guy who has joined three weeks ago and posted 7 insanely controversial poll threads?
Reported.
This thread hasn’t been like that at all, IMO.
I’m seeing neither “flood of transphobic hate” nor egregious trolling behavior here. It’s a subject like most others that is open to discussion. If you don’t want to participate, don’t.
You know, you’re right. I have serious hang-ups about gender roles. One man, one woman, and all that jazz. You know what? I also hate gays. This despite the fact that not only did I attend the Pride Parade, I also marched. Free Hugs Division. I hugged everyone that wanted a hug. I especially enjoyed the ones from not only hot women, but hugely flaming gay men. Bears were great, twinks were better. But yeah, I’m a homophobe.
Yes, it’s a hang-up. I made the choice many years ago to only date women. Shame on my sinful lifestyle.
But I’ll make you a deal. Should I find myself in the very likely situation today of meeting a lovely woman with an adam’s apple, I get her number, we fall in love, have hot monkey sex, and decide to get married, then I find out through nefarious means that she was born a male (God, story of my life! I hate it when that happens!) and decide to marry her anyway…
Will you be my best man?
Please?
My general belief is that, if you’re going into a one-night stand, you should let your partner know the things that you reasonably expect a partner to want to know going into a one-night stand. Looking at the poll results, it’s pretty clear that you can reasonably expect your partner to want to know that you’re transgendered. So you ought to tell.
It’s not the partner’s job to ask in this particular case because transgendered people are rare, and it’d be a silly thing to ask in the overwhelming majority of cases.
The complication, of course, is the fear of violence, which is a very legitimate fear. Some potential partners might say, “Uh, no thanks,” and back out, which is totally their right. Others might lash out at the transgendered person, which is totally not their right; since the transgendered person can’t predict which response will occur, it’s unclear to me whether the normal obligation to disclose that which people expect to be disclosed applies here. I lean toward “no,” but am unsure.
I guess I’ll be one of very few people in this thread (but, I believe, one of MANY irl) who will say that hell yes, they have an obligation to tell, even before a one night stand. They know perfectly well that a whole lot of people would not want to have sex with them if they knew the truth and it’s deceptive not to tell. Yeah, people are going to compare it to other, much smaller things and say there’s no obligation to tell those so there shouldn’t be for this, but I don’t think those other things compare.
I have read every letter of every law, and I can find no such obligation.
A related question that might help illustrate how folks feel about it: a married person in an open relationship seeks a one-night stand. Do they have an obligation to tell their partner about their open marriage?
I tend to think they do. I’m curious whether folks answer differently or similarly for this question, and why.
I’m not sure. Definitely right away when dating someone even casually, but for something that’s understood by both parties to be a one night stand I can’t see that many people being too bothered by it.
Similar analogies fail, though. I wouldn’t expect a dyed-blonde to tell a partner, nor would I expect a light-skinned black person to tell a partner. On one level, I can punt and say that’s because they can reasonably expect nobody to care. On another level, though, I gotta be honest: I’d want the transgendered person to tell me, and I’d want the open marriage person to tell me, but not the other two. I’m really not sure why.
I’d prefer the open marriage person told me too, but I’m not sure if I’d say they have an obligation to. But I don’t think I’d have a one night stand anyway. If I was looking for one, I don’t see why I’d really care. I definitely wouldn’t want to have sex with a transgender person.
Sorry about this post. Early morning RO and being pre-caffeinated do not make a great mix. I take it back.
For a one-night-stand? Nope.
In a dating type situation, it should be disclosed at more or less the same time frame as other major life stuff, i.e kids, previous marriages, zero-status, work situation and expectations for relationship. Which for me would be before sex, but it’s acceptable to leave it until a few dates in, depending on how you run these things.