Well, yes. I wasn’t trying to further any particular argument, just make a comment that I am enjoying this discussion.
I hope McDonalds’ well-paid lawyers go to the mattresses on this and fight every potential juror during voir-dire until they get reasonable people to sit. I wouldn’t give these “victims” one thin dime in a settlement.
If two women climb over a counter to get at me (after hitting me) I’m going to assume they’re armed, not “oh it’s just women, I can handle this”.
Well it’s hard to see the ladies during the attack since our view of them was obstructed, but it doesn’t seem like after a few whacks (with a goddamn crowbar!) that they’d have been capable of doing much damage to him. I mean, I exaggerated somewhat when I said I’d beat them until they were incapable of movement, but I would make sure they weren’t going to be able to hurt me anymore. I certainly wouldn’t just swat them away and hope they don’t come back, but I would say he accomplished his goal of protecting himself. Unless I’m being attacked by someone who I know I can take without much effort (unarmed and puny perhaps?) I’m going to town, but he went a bit past town, it looks like. This resulted in a cracked skull. Ouch.
But you know, it’s tough. It’s easy for me to be horrified from my comfy office chair, in my Nine West loafers, peering over my glasses at the callousness. “Oh, how dreadful! The proper amount of force is enough to restrain the assailant and not one smidgeon more.” Now in practice, as opposed to perfectly safe theory, if two angry, drunk broads were hitting me and crawling behind counters and shit, I’d probably throw a grenade at their asses, I dunno.
Oh God I’m going to hell for this one. Just do me a favor and don’t open the spoiler. If you do, well, I tried.[spoiler]
Funny. You don’t look Jewish.[/spoiler]Enjoy,
Steven
Gives new meaning to the term “Customer Service”.
Seriously, I’d like to see the blood test results on the two “customers”!
Put me in the “They had it comming” camp.
Doesn’t matter how provoked he was… I think hitting someone with a metal rod is assault with a deadly weapon.
Of COURSE it matters how provoked he was. Given the right provocation, you can even KILL someone without legal repercussions. It’s called justifiable homocide.
I was thinking the same thing. On one hand the safe bet financially speaking is (probably) to settle out of court. But on the other hand, even an absurd settlement ain’t going to hurt Mcdees in any practical manner, so there is maybe a chance that they don’t want to send a signal that its okay for irate customers to slap workers, jump the counter, and end up with a fat paycheck.
I kinda hope they go to court, win a few million, and then they find the jury has decided that the hoes were 99.999999 percent responsible so they don’t even get cab fair for the taxi cab ride home 
How provoked he was? A slap in the face deserves a beat down with a metal rod? What about a kick in the shin with a pointy toe? A shotgun to the head? Don’t get me wrong those two clearly did provoke him… but getting beat like that with a metal rod absolutely is assault with a deadly weapon.
Scrape the walls.
“Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the question you must decide is … did these two women really ‘deserve a break today’?”
Sadly, the original video seems to have been taken down, though there’s another one here.
Something about this video seems rather odd to me: the crazy white lady with the purse yelling “Call the cops! Call the fucking cops!” I’d say that in this era, there’s about a 0.5% chance that a person with a purse doesn’t have a cell phone, so why isn’t she dialing 911 herself? The one time I saw crazy shit going down, I whipped out my phone and dialed them digits without a second thought.
Would you like to Biggie-size that skull fracture?
It’s not limited to self defense, he was provoked into a rage. He saw red and beat the tar out of the assholes who treated him like shit and attacked him.
It wasn’t just a “slap in the face”.
I just watched this video and one thing to consider is that the women were coming at him from the front and back in a narrow aisle, so his options were further limited and he could have felt trapped. It is very possible that he was telling both women to stay down, and they were still trying to get up.
I also saw a news report of this saying how the two women were “attacked”, and at first only showed the last half of video. Non-biased reporting for you.
What was it then? It was a slap, followed by a whole lot of ruckus and noise and clamor; but the slap was all the women managed to achieve.
I was prepared to have nightmares due to the horror of that video, but once I actually watched it, I wasn’t too upset.
What I saw wasn’t a deviant criminal response - it was an unfortunate but entirely human response. I’d say it took him about ten seconds longer to come out of berserker mode than I would expect from an average person. I think he legitimately feared for his safety and that of others and reacted in a more extreme manner than most people. But I’m not really sure it was something I’d want him to go to jail for. Probation and training in handling conflict and defusing a tense situation would probably be more useful.
I’ve never been attacked by two strangers, or even in a situation as scary as **chiroptera’s **, but the most violent thing I’ve done does inform my reaction to this. I was once goofing around in the pool with a group of friends. One of the guys grabbed me and my face went in the water. It was only a few seconds and I pretty much knew that he wasn’t going to drown me, but that part of my brain wasn’t in charge. The survival instinct just knew that a big strong person was holding my face under water, and my immediate reaction was to STOP IT however I could, which in this case was to grab his scrotum as hard as I could and twist. I felt really bad about it (and to the extent that his “attack” was an attempt at flirtation, my reaction certainly ended that interest!), but intellect was so not involved, once that adrenaline really started pumping.
It was a slap, followed by the guy retreating, followed by one of the women jumping over the counter to go after him and the other running around the counter to go after him. You repeatedly, very conveniently, omit those circumstances.