Doctor Who: The End of Time - SPOILERS!

I think “geronimo” is his new catch phrase as it was in the trailer for season 5 too.

As to the woman in white … I’m not good at theme music ID - whose theme played when he saw her?

In any case it was intentionally left unanswered for some reason. Wilf asked him directly and the subject was just changed … sort of, he spoke of borrowing a quid from a Noble chap … I assume Donna’s Dad. The implied association is to think of parents. But we as of now do not know, nor how she could project herself when boy couldn’t the other Timelords just use that to communicate their wishes to the Master? And how she apparently was also a seer as she knew that the doctor needed arms and was at his end?

I am puzzled as to how so many think the Master stepped up after he saw what the Timelords had turned into. He was thrilled with them bringing Hell until it was clear that it both involved Timelords turning into energy creatures and that he was not invited to come along too.

I personally was also struck by the fact that the Doctor and the Master always wouldn’t kill each other, they knew they needed each other … until the Master knew the Timelords were returning … “I don’t need him! I have a whole planet of Timelords coming! Kill him!” (When his cactus ship was fast approaching.) He didn’t need the Doctor - he needs to be not the only timelord.

That and the fact it looks like Normal Glass, with gaps betwen the door and the floor, so it isn’t even airtight.

It was definitely a hookup. The Doctor has already made it clear all 51st-century Jack has to do is innocently say “hello” and it’s probably flirting. Alonso seemed to respond to that pretty enthusiastically too. But what I was wondering is whether the Doctor was simply pimping out Alonso to Jack, or is there more to it? The Doctor is a Time Lord after all, and presumably knows a lot more about things. He’s got to be pretty fond of Alonso. Kylie Minogue was the companion during Voyage of the Damned, but Alonso was pretty companionish himself. I’d like to think there was more to getting Jack and Alonso together than just a nice night or two of sex.

Davies wanted the Doctor to visit his companions because the new creative team taking over has no obligation to revisit Rose, Martha or Donna. He wanted to give those characters some kind of closure, in case we never see them again. But, Sarah Jane and Jack have their own spinoffs (hopefully Torchwood is coming back), so was getting Jack and Alonso together simply tying off a loose end, leaving them both on a happy note, or are there any rumors of something more?

Probably not, but I was wondering.

Well, obviously it *was *regular glass, but within the context of the episode the Doctor did refer to it as (I forget the name) some type of glass that nothing can get through.

Mijin: My understanding was that the thing behind the doors was a “nuclear bolt” and that it was a power supply for that whole big alien widget. The Master, or the Time Lords, or somebody left it on, and it overloaded, and so on and so forth, resulting in the ending. It was mentioned briefly in the first part, as I recall.

That, and if you consider that someone can deliberately choose not to regenerate (The Master), it’s not too hard to believe that The Doctor can hold off on regenerating for a while as well.

Keep in mind that I think was the choice of that or dying for good.

-Joe

The glass was “Cactus People” Glass ™, hence its magical radiation absorbing properties.

I’ll confess to sobbing through most of the last 15 minutes.

As for Captain Jack, last we saw him he was off to “Walk The Universe”, and was presumably very very sad and depressed…I’m hoping that the hookup between Jack and Alonso will serve as the seed for the next Torchwood series if it does happen.

And thanks for posting the Youtube link to the '10 trailer…wonder how long we Americans will have to wait. Hoping BBC America is as quick to air the new season for us as they were this special.

You’re right. The Master seemed quite pleased by the thought of Hell on Earth “My kind of place!” It was only after Dalton made it clear that the Master wasn’t welcome that he soured on the thought. But he still had his moment of redemption. He could have let Dalton kill the Doctor. I mean, he knew that he was going to die, why not get the satisfaction of seeing the Doctor obliterated first? It was what he always wanted, after all. But instead of standing by, he sacrificed himself so the Doctor could survive the battle.

I wish they would have made the Doctor’s death a little more clever. The Doctor always had ideas and would never give up trying to solve a problem. That’s sort of his trademark. The character is an eternal optimist by nature.

I hated seeing him just walk in there and die. I wanted to see him thinking and trying different strategies to defeat the problem. He should have still been tinkering with those controls until the radiation started.

You’re welcome. :slight_smile: Here’s a link to a short little article from November that seems to indicate work on Torchwood series 4 could begin as early as this month, and that Davies already knows exactly where Jack and Gwen are and how he’s going to bring Torchwood back.

Will Alonso have a place in it? No clue. The actor Russel Tovey has other TV projects going, but probably has time to sqeeze in Torchwood if Davies wants him.

I thought it was a dull episode, too long, with too many characters underwritten or squeezed in for the sake of name check.

What made it worse was how he just had time to finish up his tantrum / monologue before stepping in as the radiation started immediately.

Yeah I know, he’s a time lord, but still “Better be quick…argggghhhh!!” was pretty cheesy.
It seems Doctor Who fans are immune to cheese however :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m the opposite. I’m glad they chose, ultimate, to keep it a quiet, low-key scene with just two people talking. The pathos of his acceptance and his performance were very emotional. I wouldn’t have changed that, despite tempatation to make him go out with a bang.

Well, he really did go out in a big bang though. :slight_smile: The TARDIS is going to need some major remodeling.

Also, why the need to send the TARDIS hurtling away from Earth only to have it come crashing down again? Kind of a jerk thing to do to your next Doctor self. “What was I doing… oh yeah! Crashing!”

Also also, what was the “moment” Rassilon spoke of? He said the Doctor possessed it, and would use it. Did he?

Well, it gets that with each new Doctor, anyway. At least this time he’s got an excuse.

I think the idea there was that NOTHING would happen (at least within some finite but long enough time frame) as long as nothing was touched or doors were opened.

The doctor and the old man exchanging places is what actually starts the radiation dump.

And the basic set up was no one person could exit unless another entered.

Now, why they couldnt engineer a trick around the problem is what bothered me.

Well, I think he did it the first time round, thus the time-lock and the end of the war. It’s kinda vague - RTD once said that he mentions things in the Time War (Skaro Degradations, The Horde of Travesties, and The Could-Have-Been King and his army of Mean-Whiles and Never-Weres; the Fall or Arcadia; Davros originally falling during the war at the Gates of Elysium flying his ship into the jaws of the Nightmare Child; and other evocative names) but felt that George Lucas ruined the Clone Wars by explaining them, and what was in your imagination was always going to be better than what happened onscreen. So he mentions these things with exotic names and leaves you to fill in the blanks.

The “Moment” is clearly something to do with the time lock, but I doubt we’ll ever get an explanation. Let’s face it, the Shadow Procalamation and the Medusa Cascade didn’t turn out to be anywhere near as cool as their names sounded.

So, uh, in short - I don’t know the answer to your question. :slight_smile:

Well, he kinda does a countdown, that’s what threw me off.

But on watching again, I see he does the countdown as he’s opening the door, so you could be right and it was a door-activated venting.

(He also does the 3-2-1 countdown in less than 3 seconds, so exactly what it was a countdown of I’m not sure).

QUOTE=aceplace57;11950468]I wish they would have made the Doctor’s death a little more clever. The Doctor always had ideas and would never give up trying to solve a problem. That’s sort of his trademark. The character is an eternal optimist by nature.

I hated seeing him just walk in there and die. I wanted to see him thinking and trying different strategies to defeat the problem. He should have still been tinkering with those controls until the radiation started.
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That would have detracted from his sacrifice. Having him accept death for the sake of another made a sharp contrast to the Master and the other Time Lords, who struggled to cheat death at any cost. And it’s not unprecedented: The Fifth Doctor chose his companion’s life over his own.