Does Atkins qualify as a "special needs" meal?

I’d say both the host and guest should try to make clear before hand any dietary requirements. Then it’s up to the host to decide the ground rules (“I’ll make special”, “You’re ok with side dishes, right?”, “I’m sorry, could you possibly bring something?”, “I’m afriad there’s nothing for you.”) and the guest to respond (“That’s fine”, “Shall I bring something?”, “I’m afraid I can’t come”).

<joke>And now, analogy time with Dr. Science! You’re invited to a dinner party. Cyanide is being served. Do you (1) wish you’d asked before hand (2) chew a bit and spit it out (3) put a brave face on it? [peanut allegy] Now, dead baby is served! Do you (1) not even go (2) smash the crockery (3) eat some, but not have any tomorrow (4) politely decline and fill up on side dishes? [vegetarian] For pudding, you’re served a 20lb chocolate cake. Do you (1) eat a bit (2) scream and throw it at the host (3) mess it up so it looks like you’ve eaten something?</joke>

… AND let’s draw the line between intolerances and actual ALLERGIES.

My friends make special arrangements for me when we eat with them. Usually, it means the meal will contain no peanuts. At all. If I eat anything laced with peanuts, I DIE. If someone is deathly allergic to nuts, then don’t MAKE that cake (even if you can warn them and have them pass it on). Did it occur to anyone that really bad reactions could happen if that guest came in contact with, say, crumbs, and actually ingested some? Or if he/she was smooched by someone who had the cake? Or that something may accidentally come in contact with the cake and then be eaten by the allergic person?

I think that’s a little different than someone who will be made a little queasy by eating refined sugar after being on Atkins for a couple of weeks. Sometimes I forget about an intolerance (lactose being the most common) - but then my lactose intolerant friend usually just pops a pill and is perfectly fine. Not so if I were to come in contact with peanuts!

This said - I always make sure my vegetarian friends have something they can eat when I host a party. That’s kind of where I draw the line - vegetarianism, religious restrictions and allergies. Otherwise, I can’t keep up with the new diet fads. I’ve yet to have someone complain.

I take food allergies VERY seriously, since I know that death is highly overrated as party entertainment.

Being deathly allergic to mushrooms, I agree…for Baltcon memorial day, I made 2 batches of Baklavah, one regular with tree nuts [a blend of pistachios, walnuts and almonds] and then stripped my kitchen bare, cleaned everything and then made a batch with peanuts instead of treenuts. Made a friend of mine who had never been able to try baklavah thrilled because she is allergic to tree nuts.

Well, no, that wouldn’t have occurred to me, as I don’t know the first thing about nut allergies. If someone is that allergic to nuts (or anything else), it is definitely their responsibility to let the hostess know. I don’t think that just saying “I’m allergic to nuts” is enough in this case. If someone said that to me, I would think to myself, “OK, I will make sure that Harry knows that the pound cake is made with walnuts, but I will also make a lemon meringue pie that is nut-free so he can have dessert too.” It really would never occur to me that if I made a cake with nuts in it, my entire kitchen would be potentially contaminated, and that Harry probably shouldn’t even set foot in the front door of my house.

[hijack]Tangentially, how do you deal with everyday life with such a horrific allergy? I mean, I make peanut butter sandwiches for my kids in our kitchen all the time, and MrWhatsit has been known to eat peanuts from the jar as a snack. I’m sure that even though we clean our kitchen on a daily basis, there’s some kind of peanut residue around. Would that be enough to cause a reaction in a sensitive person? Do you just kind of go around introducing yourself to people saying, “Hi, my name is Elenfair, and coming into contact with peanuts will kill me!” (I don’t mean that to come across as facetious as it sounds; if I had such an allergy I think I’d do just that.)[/hijack]

You need to throw in “adverse reactions” while you’re at it. I cannot eat shrimp or peanuts, among other things. I’m not allergic in the truest sense of the word, meaning if I eat one of them, I won’t go into anaphalactic shock and die, but I will have a migraine the next day. Not a headache, not even a bad headache - a MIGRAINE, where I’m curled up in bed, shivering, shaking, sweating, vomiting, with a pounding head, possibly needing a trip to the ER for Rx drugs.
I usually say “allergic” in restaurants, because they understand it better than “adverse reaction.” It’s just not a regular intolerance like lactose intolerance, where you can pop a pill and eat ice cream.

So, if you were hosting a party, your line of thinking would be: “Well, Kimmy’s a vegetarian, so I’ll fix something veggie for her, and Timmy’s Jewish, so I’ll fix something Kosher for him, but Jimmy’s just a big fat overweight pig on a trendy diet. He can fend for himself.” ?
That’s rude, IMO.

But those murder mystery parties are great.

A host needs to set some parameters. They invite people and plan a menu. If there are some guests who have made their needs or wants known before hand, a good host will try and find something that will accomodate the majority. If you can tell your guests what is on the menu before, great.
If the menu isn’t exactly to your liking either refuse the invite, ask to come after the meal, or offer to bring a dish (honestly, it would never occure to me to not offer to bring something).

It’s one of those things you kind of get used to as you grow up, get older, and so forth…

One of the common misconceptions about peanut allergies is that if someone just smells them or comes in contact with a trace of them they will blow up and die. In almost all cases, the peanut trace has to be ingested somehow.

So I spend a lot of time washing my hands, making students wash theirs before they play on my piano, etc.

While it is true that kitchens and restaurants can be scary experiences, you kind of get used to the fact that you need to ask what things are prepared in. Most restaurants nowadays use vegetable oil and are allergy conscious. This does not apply to chinese restaurants and other asian food places. So, I either make my own or I ask.

When it comes to meeting new folks at a new dinner party or something like that, I do let the host know I’m allergic to peanuts. Most people know this means anaphylaxis and not just a bunch of hives, so they are careful. Often, if they themselves aren’t sure about something, they will warn me beforehand. In other parties where there are a bunch of people gathered and lots of snacks about, I just eat before going, or stick close to the safe stuff (like veggies n’ dip!) IF they aren’t right next to the peanuts. Of course I run a risk that someone handled peanuts and then took a carrot and changed their minds n’ put the carrot back…

But so far, so good.

And yes, I have introduced myself as “Hi, I’m Elly. Feed me a peanut if you decide you really REALLY don’t like me, okay?”

I also let lno eat peanuty things! He’s just not allowed to smooch me afterwards - not without full decontamination. The “kiss of death” is not what we’re lookin’ for…

:wink:

Now - there are people who are far MORE sensitive to peanuts than I am - it takes me a significant trace to react with total full-blown anaphylaxis. I know of some folk who don’t need even half that to react. (And we’re talking traces here).

There are advances being made now and hope that there will be a desensitization program for peanut allergies within the next 5-10 years :slight_smile:

In thinking further about this, I realize that my perspective is colored by my own diet. I am not going to cook meat for someone at a dinner party, and if I’ve got both vegetarian and Atkins guests, I’m going to give preference to the vegetarians, since that’s what i"m closer to (I eat seafood, but am otherwise vegetarian). I don’t see that as rude, any more than it’d be rude for a reform Jew to favor kosher diets at a dinner party over the concerns of another diet.

That said, if I’ve only got an Atkins person coming over, then I’ll make salmon. And at our Fourth of July party this weekend, my wife’s going to be cooking meat on our grill; I’m certainly not going to interfere with that.

Daniel

Yes, that’s it exactly. And I, too, would always offer to bring something when I’m invited somewhere. If the host says no, I’ll still show up with a bottle of wine or a little hostess gift.
I’m just saying, if you’re willing to accomodate dietary needs based on moral and religious needs, why not extend it to some one who’s dieting for health reasons?
An Atkins-friendly dish isn’t all that hard. There are a lot of misconceptions out there - it isn’t deep-fried meat with cheese with meat for dessert.
As long as you offer fresh veggies and a simple salad, most people would be happy. As long as the meat isn’t breaded and swimming in noodles, most people will be fine. A grilled or broiled meat dish with veggies and a salad are perfect.

You’re right–but keep in mind that many of the misconceptions about the Atkins diet are held by people who think that they’re on the Atkins diet.

That should be true, but I’m not convinced it is: I see a pretty large contingent of folks claiming to be on the Atkins diet but not really understanding what that means, and for these folks, fresh veggies and a simple salad ain’t gonna cut it. They want their meat, they insist on their meat.

Fortunately, these folks aren’t in my dinner-party circle.

Daniel

I must eat ovo-lacto vegetarian food only, because as a side effect of eating that way for so long, I am unable to digest meat or meat by-products properly, and will end up vomiting afterwards, even if I do not know that there is meat in the food until after the sickness has passed. I’ve had that happen from inlaws trying to “sneak” meat broth/bits/fat into dishes to “prove” I don’t have to eat that way (my husband and I only found out after he got a phone call from them while we were at home, me being sick in the bathroom at the time), from food claiming to be “vegetable” on the label only to tuck things like “chicken fat” into their tiny ingredients list, and so on. (Yes, I certainly do read labels more closely now.)

I don’t expect that hosts will cater totally to me and my diet. I usually manage to eat enough at even the most traditional meat-heavy dinners. If I’m unsure and the hosts don’t know about my eating habits, I’ll try to politely mention that I can’t eat meat/meat fat/meat broth/etc. and query about food ingredients if anything isn’t obvious. I know that when I make dinners for get-togethers, I try to make food to accomodate the likes/dislikes/eating habits of those who are attending. I don’t avoid making some meat if I know other vegetarians will be there, but none of my veg friends are the screaming-and-running-from-the-room types if they see meat.

That being said, if you’re in Atkins induction, you should damned well know that this is a very difficult period and make it your priority to mention it to your host or hostess, and ask if you can bring a dish to share if that hadn’t been accounted for. Same deal if you have food allergies or absolutely can/will not eat pork/beef/all meat/whatever.

Definitely agree with this. My husband is an omnivore, and so if I really need something tasted - like a sausage gravy I was making for a brunch - I’ll get him to do it. Not all vegetarians have an omnivore handy, though. :slight_smile:

Tooting my own horn here, I have a pretty decent sense of what a dish’s taste will be from scent alone and analyzing the ingredients in my head with my taste memory, and so I’m usually able to make dishes that I cannot taste in the process of cooking them, and which guests rave about. A fair number of people have asked how I manage - at this point, it’s pretty rare that I taste anything during the cooking process, even if there is no meat in it. I also regularly violate the “the first time you cook something, you should follow the recipe exactly” rule in this fashion, and have rarely ended up with a problem as a result.

Almost everyone in the thread seems to have missed this small but salient point.

Whether or not a host is obliged to cater for a low-carb dieter is one thing, but expecting the host to magically know everyone’s dietary restrictions is plain stupid. I know very well as a vegetarian that, if a want to ensure that i will be able to eat something, i need to make sure the host knows that i’m a vegetarian.

When informing the host, i also make it very clear that s/he is under no obligation to make something special, and that i am quite happy to bring something of my own. But there’s no way i would complain if i failed to tell the host that i was vegetarian and then turned up to find no vege options available for me.

And i’m sorry, folks, but just because every bandwagon-jumping corporation is advertising its food and drink as “low-carb” nowdays does not mean that hosts should provide low-carb options automatically. The whining guest in the OP should have made her dietary needs very clear to the host well in advance of the event.

Here’s is Miss Manner’s timely opinion from today’s column:

[quote]
Dear Miss Manners:

The impending Fourth of July holiday, and all of the patriotic delicacies included with it, happen to fall right in the middle of the restrictive phase of a diet that I am participating in.

I have been invited to a barbecue and would like to go; however, I am convinced that there will not be any food there that I am allowed to eat. Would it be rude to bring my own food that is acceptable for my diet, or should I take my chances with the food that is there?

**Neither. Democracy only works when people can pursue their individual needs and desires without violating the prerogatives of others.

Miss Manners knows a simple way for you to eat your own food without usurping the hosts’ function of providing food: Eat before you go. **

Bleh. Preview is my friend… :smack:

Man, I wish I could repeat this over and over again.

My husband and I have been eating on a low-carb diet for about 8 months. If there has ever been any form of doubt that there might not be something for us to eat at a party or gathering, we eat before we leave. Or, we bring something that we can eat.

And we don’t complain to our hosts that they didn’t accommodate for us. I mean, really, how rude is that?

I’m hosting a BBQ in a few weeks, and I have friends who range from vegetarian to Atkins dieters… and I’m doing my best to have a little something for everyone. I have a very good friend who is an extremely picky eater, but he’s a good enough friend that I can tell him, “I’ve jumped through enough hoops, if there’s nothing you can eat, you’re on your own.” Luckily, he does realize that he is horrifically picky, and usually ends up bringing his own food along.

I often review patient’s meal logs. Sometimes it can help in diagnosis or treatment, and often I see things that simply trigger some advice. Perhaps more important: I also believe that most people benefit from keeping the logs in the first place. I don’t demand it, but I do suggest it, and if they bring one in, I give it honest attention.

In my experience, most people on Atkins don’t follow the diet properly. Even the more diligent often make unknowing mistakes and less-than-desirable choices. Moreover, the hostess won’t have all the recipe books and carb references (on-ine sources are often ridiculously inaccurate on portion sizes or gram counts.)

My point is: if people on Atkins can’t master the diet, it’s ludicrous to expect a hostess to. If they are casual about their diet -any diet- and ‘cut corners’ in the privacy of their own kitchen, it’s hypocritical and obnoxious to make a fuss. If they think “it’d be so easy for the hostess” after the difficult mental adjustments they had to make in the transition, they lack a certain human empathy.

Any strict diet is a tremendous mental adjustment for the dieter. There are usually pitfalls - ingredients or techniques that you never thought twice about. I would not expect a hostess to be able to select and prepare a full meal in an unfamiliar diet. I certainly don’t think hostessing should require “studying up” on my diet.

If I take my diet so darn seriously, why would I want to eat a first effort by a cook who might innocently use butter in a strict vegan dish, flour to enhance an Atkins sauce, etc. I’ve seen people end up in the ER because neither host nor guest realized that baba ganoush (a spiced eggplant puree) containing tahini could trigger a life treatening nut allergy.

I think Atkins is fine, but I wouldn’t place it in the category of an allergy, just because they are both “health issues”. There’s a difference between choclate making you break out and peanuts killing you. I think moral grounds are weightier than nutritional diets too - if you slip up on one meal in a nutritional diet, there are usually no lasting moral or health issues.

Ever notice that dieters often make a bigger stink if a host innocently violates their diet than they do when they themselves “cheat” the next day?

Often, it’s more about being “accomodated” than about the diet, either personally or comparatively (“I got so mad that they accomodated her and not me!”) Your predicament isn’t lessened if other guests suffer, or increased if they don’t, so be happy when someone -anyone- doesn’t have to suffer.

Yeah, it’s a shame that we can’t do/have/eat whatever we want whenever we want–but let’s not inflict our decisions on others.

Note to self: don’t post when frequently interrupted. Dopers are swift typists and shrewd thinkers. By the time you hit “POST” they’ll have said it all.

I have a friend who is a professional chef.

He has us over for dinner parties periodically. He always asks (even though we’ve known him for years) if we’re not eating anything (meat, dairy, etc) at the time. However, if I didn’t tell him, I wouldn’t expect him to know. Seems like common sense to me.

This is how I deal with things too. I can’t eat anything with “pizza spices” (basil, oregano etc) that you find in most- but not some varieties of Hunts, fortunately- spaghetti and pizza sauces, because if I do, I get a terribly itchy rash wherever the spices come in contact with my skin. (imagine eating a slice of pizza, you get minute amounts of sauce on your hands and don’t even know it because you can’t see it. Well, I can point out exactly where I did…) People like pizza and lasagna, it’s not their fault I can’t eat it too, right? So if I know in advance that there will be a likelihood of the main course being something with tomato sauce, I’d rather bring something I can eat, be it kilbassa wraps or a simple sandwich, than have a rash for several hours. This almost always works out; although I’ve learned to bring something even if the menu should be safe- the worse reaction I had was when people at a meeting decided after we got there to have pizza instead of subs like we’d been told we were having…that’s the last time I’ve even pizza with sauce. ::shudders::
Anyway, the Atkins person should have offered to bring something “safe” for her to eat, then eaten that if there was nothing else appropriate.