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I’m not a Madonna fan and I’d certainly call her an attention whore, but the “looks like an old whore” thing is just petty sniping.
I agree. I’m no fan of her work, but her accomplishments are her own and she looks fine.
The idea of Madonna cruising around picking up guys for casual sex sounds like fiction or fantasy or both. Either way, I don’t see anything “repellant” at all about it for a person of any gender or any level of fame. What part is repellant? Is it the “much younger” part? Does “much younger” mean a child?
Ascenray, in a later post, she said
So yes, “much younger boys” in this context is supposed to mean “a child”, or at least a teenager.
I didn’t read Sex, but in college someone had a copy, and I did get to glance at some of the pictures. Not that I recall much.
This thread OP was a “bash Madonna” post. Call her old, call her a whore, blah blah blah. There’s nothing in that picture that shows anything bad.
As for Madonna’s taste in younger men, here is a rundown on some of her relationships.
Being into men in their early 20s isn’t quite the same as dragging teenagers into her limo.
IIRC, Drain Bead is a lawyer of some sort. Apparently, in the criminal justice system.
Nailed it.
I owe Madonna a lot, so it’s hard not to take some of this criticism personally.
Madonna has been called a whore since time immemorial, and she’s been misunderstood for just as long. Yes, she’s an attention whore - I’d put money on her having histrionic personality disorder. However, she strongly, passionately believes in the right for oppressed people to experience sexual and personal liberation. That was the point of The Sex Book, which was intended to provoke by playing around with controversial fantasies and ideas. She crossed barriers in women’s sexuality, gay sexuality, interracial/transcultural sexuality and other taboos because she believed it needed to be done. She has repeatedly addressed the disconnect between herself and her critics both in her music and through other forms of media. Madonna is a narcissist with a heart of gold. If you don’t get it by now, you probably never will.
The Sex Book, which I have seen and read in its entirely, is fiction. She also dresses up like a dominatrix while carrying a tiny dog in her video Human Nature but I don’t think that means she advocates bestiality.
I apologize in advance for not reading the whole thread, but RogerDalien, you have given me a laugh that I will treasure all day.
I mostly heard the rumors in the 80s, as I had a co-worker who was fascinated by Madonna, and she was always bringing gossip rags in to work. I’m talking about magazines like People and Rolling Stone and such. The only online cite I can find is http://s11.zetaboards.com/antimadonna/topic/901193/1/ , which is definitely an anti-Madonna website, so I view it as not as reliable as I’d like.
My objections to Madonna are not based on her having a lot of sex. I don’t CARE if she has sex with men, women, and the occasional plush toy. I don’t care if someone has an active sex life. I do care if they are picking up underage people and having sex with them, and I also care if they try to re-brand themselves as parental after having an active public sex life.
I am having to re-think whether or not Madonna actually picked up underage boys, but that was definitely the rumor that was going around.
And anyone who thinks that I would dream of doing anything to harm a kitten hasn’t read any of the kitten threads I’ve participated in. Kittens ARE in danger when they’re around me…it’s quite possible that I will pick them up and coo at them.
Is it possible to be a fully realized sexual being and a good parent at the same time, perhaps?
I don’t see anything necessarily incongruous, inconsistent, or irreconcilable with being parental and also having (had) an active public sex life.
Madonna didn’t just have a very active, public sex life. Her brand was as a sexual object. Being sexual was how she sold herself. “Oh yeah, I’m a total slut and I LOVE it!” was her motto. This is different than being a fully realized sexual person.
Parents can be sexual. However, I find it jarring that someone who presented herself as being sexually available to just about anyone would now try to be a parental role model. Ozzie Osbourne did (and does) a lot of drugs, but when he tries to be parental, he admits that he did them, and that they screwed him up. I think that he loves his kids, but he’s not a great parent.
Isn’t part of the point of Madonna’s message that –
A:
Dos not imply –
B:
I’d say it’s a subset of “fully realized sexual persons.”
I’m about 10 years younger than Madonna. I don’t really see much difference between Madonna’s sexual persona and that of many of the women I grew up with. Come on, Sex and the City, etc.? Isn’t the whole point of Madonna that all this stuff is a perfectly legitimate way for any woman, whether parent or not, to express her sexuality?
I must admit, I have less of an idea of what kind of parent Madonna is than I do of what kind of parent Ozzy is, mostly because Ozzy made a TV show about it.
Given that, however, I don’t see any equivalence between a lifetime of drug and alcohol abuse and Madonna’s public sexuality. I certainly don’t see how it implies that she’s a bad parent.
I see nothing harmful to children or anyone else in Madonna’s public output – her music, videos, nude photographs, books, or anything else.
And besides all that, how much do any of us really know about Madonna’s actual sex life? I’d guess very little.
Back when Truth or Dare came out, a newspaper reviewer (Tom Shales? This was a long time ago) made a compelling claim that for her, sex was just a marketing crutch and she’s actually just about money. She didn’t kick the cameraman out of the room when she was changing clothes, dishing about sex with her gal pals, hagging it up with the dancer boys, giggling at her unfortunate assistant’s torn rectum, etc. But when she was talking money with her accountant, the camera had to leave the room.
Would the cameraman have WANTED to stick around while Madonna conferred with her accountant?
Truth or Dare basically killed Madonna as a beauty/sex figure for me, btw. After looking at that woman for two hours in various states of undress, I’d had my fill.
I’m not really arguing that there’s anything wrong with it. I’m just pointing out that this is more about her being too old to be sexual, rather than being too virtuous, which is what the madonna/whore dichotomy is about. (And, yes, I get that Cat Whisperer’s post was a joke.)
Didn’t know it was fictional, so okay.
However, if she DID include a story about bestiality in it, it would still squick me out, even if I knew for a fact it was fictional. Blech.
I’d also say that had a male singer come out with a “sex” book, and included stories of screwing girls (or boys, for that matter) too young to have pubic hair, I daresay he’d have gotten publicly roasted.
Olives, I’m with you all the way on this. I know a few parents that I think would fit this mold.
I, too, admire Madonna for being an artist in the strongest sense of the the word. I don’t always agree with her, but I do not think she does most of what she does just for the attention either. Sure, some of the stuff she does is for shock value, that’s part of her personality. Some of it however, is because she feels something needs to be said and she is in a position to say it - and she’s not afraid to say it. More power to her.
I think some of the stuff she does cuts pretty close to the bone for a lot of people and they either want to deny that they have felt or considered acting in the same manner. They are shocked that she would actually say or do what the other person considered but threw away as “unacceptable”.
We’ve pretty much established it was fictional, but even if it were true, Madonna moved to New York when she was 18 and was a star by the time she was 24. Her having sex with a teenager when she herself was likely a teenager isn’t exactly the end of the world.
Of course not, it should be illegal for non-virgins to propagate.
Were you under the impression I disagreed?