Acquiescence !
I am so using that line.
No, you mean, “compliance”!
The Daily Currant is never good satire. It just whooshes people because it’s not recognizable as comedy.
“So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying…”
Basic provisions is one thing, what the individual does actually get and how much will they actually pay for it, is another. There have been constant tweeking/creating since the bill was passed. I’m sure Pelosi’s, "“But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it…”, will eventually prove true. Someday.
You agree that “the administration DID NOT do enough to explain the reasons and make their case forcefully to the public”. You also mentioned, “if people misunderstand the law…”. Of course people misunderstand a program that hasn’t been fully explained to them. It’s been a “work-in-progress” but it’s the job of the people pushing ACA/Obamacare on the public to actually explain what it is that they are peddling. The usual, “ACA/Obamacare is good for you” isn’t getting the job done. If you want a majority of people to support ACA/Obamacare, you have to actually explain the specifics to them. (If that’s possible.)
As long as you have the time to be litotical, then you should have no problem spending a little more time explaining the specifics of how ACA/Obamacare will work for the average voting taxpayer and what it will actually cost them. The website ordered by the Obama administration to sign up the masses doesn’t seem to be working any better than the Obama administrations previous attempts to explain the how’s and why’s of ACA/Obamacare.
p.s. Saying that “ACA/Obamacare is good for you” isn’t going to be sufficient.
We are getting screwed by people who know they are smart enough to control the masses of you who are too stupid to know what just happened. The other people are too weak to fight the good fight for those who work hard. It’s amazing you dingbats are only now waking up to see it.
I hope the states and counties that begged to be saved go up in flames when reality hits full throttle.
What specific information are you looking for that is not provided in the document linked by Wesley Clark back in post #8?
Can you tell us what information in that document comes closest to the specific information you’re looking for, and what the remaining issues are for which you want to find out more details?
If you’re just going to go on grousing that you don’t have enough information and ignoring links that other posters supply to help you find that information, you shouldn’t be surprised that you’re not getting very far in your quest for knowledge.
You know, your post is so vague about the specifics of what you’re complaining about that I actually can’t even be sure from reading it which side of this debate you’re on. Congratulations, that’s quite a feat.
However, by googling combinations of the expressions “dingbats”, “fight the good fight”, and “those who work hard”, I found enough similar-sounding rhetoric on the interwebs to suggest that you are in fact trying to express opposition to the Affordable Care Act. It’s still not very clear why you’re upset about it, though.
That was almost 20 years ago. I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Republicans have gotten considerably more insane since then. A lot of them are sincere (and ignorant at best), and the rest are being held hostage.
If only Republicans had been clever enough in 1964 to call Medicare and Medicaid JohnsonCare, it probably never would have passed.
They would have listened to Ronald Reagan who said “Medicare Will Bring A Socialist Dictatorship.”
My, what familiar arguments…
There’s a new medication to help those who are sputtering with impotent rage: Verbiagra.
They say that sometimes the coherence can last up to four hours.
Who wouldn’t want their Johnson taken care of?
It can’t *possibly *cost more than the inefficient system we used to have.
And any jobs lost will be jobs that exist to profit on the sickness and misery of fellow humans.
But if Republicanss really think this is bad for business, they should back a single-payer plan and move the problem safely away from businesses.
The fact that’s not even being discussed shows how completely insincere they are being.
Their hatred of the program is founded in hatred of Obama. That’s why their arguments are irrational, they are based in fear and not logic.
Here’s a novel idea. How about instead of everyone in this thread have to defend ObamaCare/the ACA from accusations leveled by the OP, how about the OP defend his assertions:
Please provide a cite for this assertion.
Please provide a cite for this assertion.
It was true years ago because she was talking about a bill coming out of the Senate. At the time, that hadn’t happened yet.
It’s been explained.
That’s somewhat true, but a little too simple: some of them are just liars and not hostages, just like the leaders who said they could get rid of the ACA were liars. Mitt Romney was for this kind of health care reform in 2008 and against it in 2012. He wasn’t a hostage, he was an unprincipled sellout. He even had his campaign book edited accordingly. Newt Gingrich was in Congress in the '90s and whatever he might he said during the election, he knows very well that these were originally Heritage Foundation ideas. Some of the others are idiots and some of the Tea Party representatives probably really thought they could get rid of the ACA this way. But a lot of the others knew better. It’s not a hostage situation if you choose hand over power to someone else and don’t stand up for yourself when things go badly.
What information would be sufficient for doorhinge? What specific questions can we address?
I heard someone yesterday lament the monumental debt which our children will have to bear because of the ACA. The same person went on to say that Obama was just doing it for the votes. He said nothing when I reminded him that Obama was a lame duck.
I have no blessed idea. But then, I’m not supporting it. I’m not even American, why should I read your dry-ass legislation ? Figuring out the French healthcare system was work enough, thankyouverymuch.
I’m just saying, if you want to know “what’s in it” and how it will work for the average voting taxpayer, the full text of the law is available to you on the interwebs, as are more digestible explanations. If you can’t be arsed to look those up but still violently oppose it… I might use another litote. I might pull out an epizeuxis. I might even have some bathos locked and loaded, you don’t even know !
Do you have a single clue as to what the law actually says?
The impact obviously varies a lot by income level and state of residence and state of employment. I have good insurance at work; ACA doesn’t affect me at all. Someone on Medicaid or Medicare isn’t affected much. A kid avoiding getting insurance is going to pay some more. The working poor who now qualify for Medicaid will be much better off in states taking the money and as bad off in states which refuse to extend Medicaid. Someone with a pre-existing condition who can’t get insurance now will be much better off. Kids under 26 with no insurance are already better off by being able to stay on their parents’ plan. Some people will get better coverage and pay more. Some people with really, really good coverage will pay more.
It is complicated. The law is complicated. The US Healthcare system is complicated. If you are unable or unwilling to do the work to understand it, blame yourself, not the law.