Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign

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Nonsense. Trump is not a fascist of any sort and even the European populist right covers a broad spectrum which includes some real fascists (ie Golden Dawn, Jobbik), some with links to fascism (Front National in France), and some that are basically rabid neocons more then anything else (UKIP, PVV). It’s true is policy views clash with that of the current Republican Party but go back 60 years ago or so. His views on protectionism, immigration, and foreign policy aren’t all that different from the pre-Cold War GOP. Certainly, the Donald has far more of William McKinley and Robert Taft in him then Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler.

In fact, if anything calling Trump a fascist is whitewashing American history, implying that his nativist, and quasi-authoritarian tendencies are somehow foreign to American tradition when it’s been with us the very beginning. Trump’s denunciations of foreigners and corrupt elites, his attacks on Big Government, Big Business, and Big PC, his intimations of insidious threats from foreign shores can be found in practically every chapter of the American Pageant. Consider how what Walter Russell Mead identified as the Jacksonian tradition in America matches Trump’s views and constituency almost word for word. Consider we had an entire political movement devoted primarily to attacking immigrants and which not only mounted a serious Presidential campaign but elected several governors, Congressmen, and mayors. Consider that many of Trump’s favourite slogans like “America First” and “silent majority” are from previous mass American political movements. Consider the extraordinary similarity of George Wallace’s 1968 Presidential campaign to that of Trump’s in terms of his anti-elitist right-wing populism, white working-class base, and even stances on particular issues.

What makes you think he doesn’t have his own political views? Trump is certainly an opportunist on a good number of issues, but his stances on a core group of issues (trade, foreign policy, immigration) have as I’ve said multiple times been consistent over the past 30 years. Nor would I discount the abilities of a man who managed to single-handedly win the Republican nomination for President despite being a complete outsider who was discounted by all the “experts” and “serious people” even on this very forum.

And Hillary Clinton is only a year younger then Trump while Bernie Sanders is a full four years older then him.

The Establishment doesn’t like him, the party base does-for them he’s a far better avatar of their interests then either the Bush-Romney plutocratic clique or the supposed “Tea Partiers” who preach patriotism with one mouth but then are equally fervent supporters of the Market as the rest of the GOP.

Correction: It reveals the broad appeal of nationalistic populism in a period when a significant segment of the American population has been alienated and feel they have been socioeconomically and culturally marginalized. Even hyper-partisanship is more of a return to pre-1945 politics then anything necessarily unprecedented in American history.

That’s absolutely true. But I’d say the greatest threat to American democracy right now is not some distant spectre of fascism or even the real menace of authoritarian nativist demagougery but rather the apathy of much of the American electorate to politics. Only a democracy in which the common man has a genuine interest and active stake in the commonwealth can hope to be healthy and strong.

Incidentally, I’m continually amazed by the intellectual poverty of this thread. Despite the unprecedented developments of a Republican candidate abandoning free trade for protectionism and denouncing the Iraq War for dethroning Saddam Hussein, most of the posters here seem to think the only appropriate response is “ZOMG LOL Drump is so stupid!” It wasn’t as if liberals and lefties on this forum and elsewhere didn’t say either of the things Trump said even if in a more palatable manner.

Trump is an empty suit who’s good at pandering to the mob. He has no serious policy whatsoever, just “I’m going to make America Great!” And no filter, and no interest but himself. He can’t govern his own mouth let alone an entire country.

Well, maybe a banana republic.

The fact that he hearkens back to historical (and historically backwards) beliefs is no proof of his competence in any way, shape, or form.

Perhaps it would be instructive to look at Trump in the light of Lawrence Britt’s 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism.

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. Check. Make America great again. Trump certainly isn’t alone in this, so we can’t single him out here.

  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights- Check. He wants to do worse than waterboard. He wants to spy on mosques. Trump leads the pack in this category.

  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. Check. Mexicans and Muslims are the enemy, according to CheetoFace.

4.Supremacy of the Military. Check. Trump vows to “build up” the military, despite the US nearly spending as much on it as the rest of the world combined. To be fair, EVERY Republican save for Rand Paul parrots the same line.

  1. Rampant Sexism. Check. Raped a girl in 1993. Owned a beauty pageant. Thinks that female journalists who ask tough questions must be menstruating.

  2. Controlled Mass Media. Check. Wants to change libel laws so he can sue news organizations easier.

  3. Obsession With National Security. Check. Wall with Mexico. Ban on Muslims entering country.

  4. Religion and Government are Intertwined. Check. Wants to mobilize Christians and make them hate Muslims.

  5. Corporate Power is Protected. Check. Sort of a litmus test for Republicans.

  6. Labor Power is Suppressed. Check. Wants to bust unions in his own empire.

  7. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. Check. Dismisses global warming.

  8. Obsession with Crime and Punishment. Check. Wants his supporters to bust heads at his rallies. Mocks Black Lives Matter and sides with police when they murder blacks.

  9. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption. Check. Funnels campaign spending to benefit his own companies. Claims charitable contributions that did not exist.

  10. Fraudulent Elections. Check. Conducts smear campaigns against opponents. Working with Republicans to suppress voting through phony ID requirements.
    In view of the above, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that Trump is fascist. There have been other political movements in American past that share many of these traits but I think that Trump covers all of the points better than anyone in US history.

My observation that he has no political views is based on the fact that he expresses few, as well as a study of the man and his apparent, complete absence of any principle beyond the desire to take other people’s money.

Every view Donald Trump has is somehow connected to how he can personally make money from it, especially regarding trade.

Well, not all of them, no. As has been noted, the most extreme example of this is that Utah, the reddest state in the Union in 2012 and damn close in 2008, is now just barely red by the skin of the Donald’s teeth; Mormons, a reliable Republican demographic, regard him as being equivalent to dog poo. Trump does not have the entire base on his side by any stretch of the imagination, but is partially making it back on very high popularity among working class white men, enough to draw some into the party.

I agree that regarding Trump as stupid is… well, it’s stupid. Clearly the man is not literally stupid. He is ignorant to an unprecedented degree on matters one does not expect a Presidential candidate to be ignorant about, but that’s not his game plan anyway.

Functionally stupid, not naturally stupid. Like a car with big-ass hemi engine and a busted tranny. A gear box full of neutral.

I also agree that it would be fruitful to launch a discussion on the themes of the Trump candidacy, and why they resonate with the electorate at all, and what it portends for both parties – removing Trump himself from the discussion.

The latest from Trump: My tweet (which I know came from a white supremacist site) can’t possibly have been a Star of David, because a “Frozen” coloring book also has a six-pointed star on it.

Sounds like Donald just can’t let it go.

Also, the media is “racially profiling” him. Somehow.

Best reply to that comes from Red State conservative Erick Erickson tweet directed to Trump:

In a closed-door meeting with Congressional Republicans (to which he showed up 20 minutes late), Trump explained how the media was being unfair to him for criticizing his praise of Saddam Hussein and then promised to defend “Article 12 of the Constitution”.

Wait! Does Article 12 not deserve to be defended, simply because it doesn’t exist?

Is that anything like executing Order 66?

LOL’d at “Do you want to build a strawman?” Whoever runs Hillary’s Twitter account deserves a raise.

Like One Corinthians.

So the guy working the continental breakfast at our hotel hit me up, unprompted, with a (friendly) rant about how we live under a dictatorship, we need to stop interfering in other countries’ affairs, it makes no sense to pass gun control, and Trump (from whom he took a seminar!) will be good for the country financially.

Nothing too extraordinary for an encounter in a lily white red state like ND, right? Except this guy was black! (And not light-skinned, either, like he could plausibly have a white dad or something.)

So when you see a poll saying Drumpf is getting something like 5% of the black vote, and you wonder “who the hell are those people”, now you know.

Not yet.

Trump’s meeting with Senate Republicans, meanwhile, apparently just descended into him threatening senators who haven’t endorsed him.

This bit is particularly amusing;

I agree Trump is not part of “hyper partisan” per se because he’s not very Republican. IMHO it just sparks a low signal to noise ratio debate though to call Trump a fascist. Several of the posts ‘proving’ this are basically saying Republicans are ‘fascists’ with distorted versions of what the GOP favors (or has up till Trump), and thus muddying the more correct point that Trump is a departure from Republicanism as it’s been understood (not 100% obviously, nothing is ever that clear cut). It seems to me more like ‘I really, really don’t like the Republicans, they must be bad people’, and ‘fascist’ means ‘bad people’.

I also don’t think it’s particularly informative to call populist nationalist parties in Europe, which Trump’s movement indeed tends to resemble, ‘fascist’ either. It’s fair to say they attract some people who would also be (or are) attracted to fascists, that such parties often don’t separate themselves enough from fascists to be ‘respectable’, etc. All fair enough, and applicable to Trump, but not not same as being a fascist movement. In fact a lot of reluctance to condemn rightist extremes as much as the ‘respectable’ center wants is due to their extreme aversion to PC norms, and being called ‘rubes’ etc. by highly educated elites. Upsetting PC propriety is part of what they want, that doesn’t really mean fascism.

None of this means anyone has to accept Trump the person as suitable for the presidency. I don’t. It’s more about how one views the supporters, some of whom are a’holes, but a lot of humanity is, always has been and always will be. The problem I see is the hyper-demonization of groups (‘well they demonize my group, so it’s only fair…’ not very convincing IMHO). In that sense it’s a continuation of hyper polarization, but it’s more class based now if the GOP s molded in Trump’s image, not the same partisan divide as before. A lot of Trumpsters hate the GOP, as it’s been, as much as leftists do but for different reasons.

I’m not sure at this point if this constitutes a descent or a lateral move.

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It seems to me more like ‘I really, really don’t like the Republicans, they must be bad people’, and ‘fascist’ means ‘bad people’.
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Honestly, I think perhaps my point was missed, and yet I felt I was really clear. I am not saying Republicans are fascists. They are not. DONALD TRUMP is a fascist.

Nor am I an ignoramus who thinks “fascist” means “people I don’t like.” I mean Trump is a fascist based on my honest assessment of his politics, such as they are. As BobLibDem has already illustrated, he checks off most of the signatures of a fascist. (I actually don’t fully agree all 14 apply to Trump, but most of them do.)

Several of the Republican Senators tried to sneak out the back door through an alley to avoid the press after the meeting. Unfortunately for them, Niels Lesniewski of Roll Call was there to greet them.

From the article, Senator Bob Sasse’s statement on the meeting:

I have to admire that kind of candor and facility with the language. I want to move to Nebraska and become a Republican just to vote for Sasse.