Impossible to say. Everyone pushing voter ID laws makes claims about how easy it is to commit fraud, regardless of the actual difficulty. They can’t all be ignorant of how the process works – it’s just parroting talking points.
Pretty much.
But that wouldn’t prevent you from registering under 10 different names in 10 different precincts.
There isn’t that much difference between Trump Crazy and Republican Crazy.
The Republicans, in a last-ditch effort to prevent non-Whites from voting, must believe that a system without overly-stringent voter ID laws is ripe for voter fraud. The fact this has never been demonstrated to happen can’t exist in their worldview: They must demand that it does, the way they demand that abstinence-only sex ed doesn’t lead to increased teenage pregnancies. Implying that it’s easy to vote multiple times in modern American elections just plays into that strategy; the fact Trump is bad at implying doesn’t mean he isn’t toeing the party line on this one.
Really, Trump Crazy usually isn’t that far from Republican Crazy: Republican Crazy is demanding that Muslims are a Shadowy Foreign Conspiracy; Trump Crazy is picking a fight with a Muslim Gold Star family. Republican Crazy is subtly implying that women are hormonal child-beasts who need to be carefully controlled; Trump Crazy is outright stating that a FOX News talking head is menstruating on stage the moment she exhibits something resembling a journalistic backbone. Republican Crazy is starting wars of choice on paper-thin pretexts; Trump Crazy is staring at the nuclear button and drooling while your index finger begins to twitch.
The difference is mostly a matter of degree.
Your hypothetical sounds possible, and it does happen in a very few individual cases, but here is no evidence that widescale voter fraud is really a thing. Actually, evidence exists the opposite is true.
I didn’t claim that anyone did this. I was just responding to someone who said that checking off the names of voters without IDs in a book would prevent someone from voting more than once. If someone were determined to vote more than once, checking off their name in a book wouldn’t stop them.
But doesn’t registering require proving who you are and where you live? It did for me when I moved to Ohio fifteen years ago.
And anyway, Trump wasn’t talking about registering many times, he talked as though people could just vote and vote and vote.
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Multiple times. How about like 10 times. Why not? If you don’t have voter ID, you can just keep voting and voting and voting.
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I think he really doesn’t understand the process.
Yes, there was a Democratic activist groups that pissed off TONS of people around here. They sent out this mailer pushing people to vote in Governor Walker’s recall election, and they included a chart telling whether your nearest neighbors voted in the last several elections. And they threatened to do it again after the election, so your neighbors would know if you hadn’t voted.
Ok. So then we are talking about having ID laws for registering, but not ID laws for voting? In that case, you’d still be disenfranchising people who don’t have ID, but at a different point in the process, (but giving a break to people who lost their ID after registering but before voting).
Jeepers, the 538 now-cast has Clinton at a** 91.6%** chance of winning ! I know it’s “just” the now-cast, but that’s not good optics.
Yup. Horrible optics. Democratic voters can now rest assured that Hillary will win in a landslide, save that money they were going to donate, not bother volunteering, and not bother voting (just like they do in off-year elections).
Do you mean the Ted Cruz “Voter Report Card” from the Iowa caucuses? He’s not a Democrat.
(Move on did something similar in 2012, but it didn’t name names. It showed percentages for your neighborhood in general, but not whether specific people had voted.)
No, I don’t mean that. I mean tens of thousands of pieces sent 1st class through US mail to me and I think everyone in at least this city, and maybe the whole state, that listed our neighbors by name and whether they have voted on the last … I dunno, two or three state-wide elections. It must have cost them a fortune to produce because every piece was slightly different.
No. Democratic activists did it in the Walker recall election.
And it contained actual names and addresses.
What would prevent that is that if you got caught (say, by a neighbor seeing you), you’d face prison time, whereas if you do it individually, the chances of any material gain from your shenanigans is pretty much nil. It’s about the least rational crime a person can commit.
Of course, you could do it as a conspiracy. But then your chances of getting caught skyrocket. Again, an incredibly irrational crime to commit.
That’s why virtually nobody does it.
When I first moved to my current state, an ID was not necessary to register. You needed some kind of documents to prove your identity (e.g. utility bills) but it didn’t have to be a driver’s license.
Same for me in Missouri. And if you couldn’t do that, you can still vote if two election judges – one D and one R – vouch for you at the polling place.
Anyway, in-person vote fraud is just about the dumbest way to go about trying to cheat in an election. The scene in Gangs of New York where they keep dragging people to vote over and over was kind of funny, but doesn’t really accurately represent the way we vote these days. Nowadays, we just have really poorly designed electronic voting systems with a lack of audit trails, so you have much easier ways to rig an election. Progress!
So, Melania could be an illegal immigrant. Came to the US on a visa that didn’t allow her to work… and took jobs away from American citizens.
Tsk-tsk. We should build a wall around her.
She’s roughly fifty. This could fit in well with a Trump move to a newer, ah, model. To hell with divying up property. Just deport her when you are done!
I can already hear Trump’s response if any Dems start attacking her on this front. “Crooked Hillary wants amnesty for illegal Mexicans who are rapists, drug dealers, killers, and some, I assume, are good people; but she wants to keep hot models out of the U.S. That’s no good. No good. When I am President, all the hot models, except for the Muslims, are going to be coming to this country. And it is going to be great.”
I don’t really see the point of attacking Melania Trump over the fine details - and details remembered by someone as unreliable as Donald Trump, no less - of how she got a green card.
She got one, so the government looked at the papers and decided she was okay.