I think he’s obnoxious. Sorry, can’t do much better than that. I’m sure lots of people like him or he wouldn’t be so popular.
I really am not following you here. Did my enjoyment of Classical set me apart, or not, in your opinion? And if it didn’t make any difference, why did people single it out and harrass me because of it? And if it didn’t make any difference, why would you imply that my parents were out of line in not encouraging us listening to it? And, just in case you were unaware, a lot of people have had similar experiences of “Classical intolerace”, it’s not just me. There are a lot of people who have a hang-up about Classical. And they need no other encouragement to be obnoxious other than to discover that someone else listens to it.
I won’t be having any kids, I don’t think. But if I did, I won’t rule their musical tastes with an iron fist. I would follow in my parents’ footsteps. Never forbidding, just offering an alternative to pop music and exposing them to the joys of Classical. I also wouldn’t be feeding my kids meat, as I am a vegetarian. I wouldn’t force them from never eating it elsewhere, I just wouldn’t feed it to them. Got a problem with that as well?
No, yosemite, I don’t have a problem with what you do, or don’t, with your kids.
The more I read of your writings, though, the easier it is for me to believe that you were on the periphery to begin with, and liking classical music was but one of the things that your classmates found objectionable about you.
Enjoy your uniqueness. You paid for it.
Rysdad, it’s people like you that I want to protect my child from, and from becoming.
I should note here that I enjoy classical sometimes, so I’m not one of the “classical intolerants.”
Maybe if your musical repertoire had been a bit more well-rounded, you might’nt’ve been subject to the idiocy and harrassment. Who knows?
And to KellyM – No, your kid will be unique, I’m sure. Good luck, and I mean that sincerely.
You do know that it’s hard to write a good adventuresome kid’s story where the kid has great parents.
I mean, if the kid has a good Mom, she’ll protect the child and take care of all of it’s major problems, and guide it properly and you really won’t have much of an adventure story.
If you want to write a kids’ adventure story and make the kid have a great Mom, at some point you’re going to have to deal with the problem of “why isn’t the kids’ Mom doing something about all this stuff that’s going on?”
She either has to be a bad Mom for letting the kid get into the situation of the adventure, or she has to be gone.
That’s why Moms die in Disney films. They need to be absent for plot reasons, it makes the kid imediately sympathetic and it gives a rationale for the kid’s eccentric or needy behavior and let’s him bond with the unlikely parent figure.
You try writing a kids’ adventure story where the kid has great parents! It’s tough.
The Brothers Grimm knew it, Mark Twain knew it, and Disney knows it.
You mean it’s irrational and indefensible? Too bad, I was hoping one of you would attempt to defend your beliefs against the more thoughtful critiques, particularly that of Fenris. Alas, 'twas not to be.
Quite so, Scylla. If only Huck’s mother had been along on that raft. Then he would have learned a thing or two!
Sigh. I started getting crap when I was probably around eight. OK? When kids started asking me what my favorite radio station was, and I cited a Classical station. They asked me what my favorite song was. I cited Copland. That was enough for the crap to start. It took a few years for me to really get fed up with it, but for damned sure I didn’t do anything to incite the crap at age eight.
And I have no doubt that the crap was also fueled in part by the fact that my parents loved Classical, lived for it. And the neighbors (who were often schoolmates) knew this. My mom was a professionally trained singer and pianist, and my dad was so knowledgable about Classical it was scary. He bought her a very nice grand piano so he could hear her play, while we drove around a 10 year old beater. That made us oddballs, I am sure. Just another reason to give me crap, I suppose. :rolleyes:
Do you think that the generic 8 year old Classical music fan won’t get crap from their schoolmates? Do you really believe this? Do you believe that only a kid who is on “the periphery” to begin with will get crap because they don’t listen to pop music? Seriously?
Sigh. Seriously. Do you really think that I didn’t know more about pop music (just by being forced to listen to other people’s radios) than most people knew about Classical? I knew a small fraction of popular, but that was far more than the 0% knowledge that my schoolmates had of Classical. My repertoire was (and still is) far more well-rounded than most of my harrassers. At least I could cite artists and songs that I didn’t like. The same could not be said for the harassers.
Wolfie, my dear, I’d never take any comment about my opinions which was made in “the Pit” personally.
I kind of think that if I express unpopular opinions then I will be challenged on the reasons why I believe “X” to be so. I’ve learned - over the couple of years I’ve been around this place that there are many people whose viewpoints I don’t agree with whom I can still respect.
It blows my mind when people talk about “being banned because you don’t agree with popular opinion”. In my experience, the reverse has been true - the mods and the admins will pretty much allow you to talk about ANYTHING as long as you are not posting a gratuitous thread for the sake of forcing the mods/admins to make a decision and as long as you can make any kind of argument for expressing your viewpoint.
“oh bugger, I disagreed with a popular poster”. What a lot of crap. I’vee probably learned far more from the posters with whom I disagree over the years of being a member of this messageboard than I could every hope to learn from the posters whose opinions exaxtly mirror my own.
Over the years that I have been a member of this messageboard, I have also learned that it’s OK to challenge people, provided that you do so on some kind of “legitimate” basis - as opposed to simply declaring that “you’re WRONG”.
Who’d have thought that a prohibition on Disney would cause so much angst? I - PERSONALLY - believe that possibly lee and KellyM have not thought through all the implications of their decision.
As I’ve already said, I don’t really understand why this ban only relates to animated Disney programmes. And as I’ve already said, this thread is pretty much a lost cause, so I’d like to email you guys to discuss the issues involved. There IS a way in which I can reveal my email address to you without you having to reveal yours to me.
As I’ve already said in the various other threads relating to this issue, I don’t agree with lee and KellyM’s opinion.
I also think that I have “crossed the line” (not the SDMB’s line, because I would have been banned had I done that) in terms of not “hearing”. I LISTENED to what you had to say, but I did not HEAR.
For that, I apologise.
I personally think that parental preferences should be accorded the same status as five thousand year old religious preferences. Don’t they say to honor thy father, and thy holy father? And to keep your father holy?
:rolleyes:
My children all grew up with Disney. Not a one of them were “Disney-fied” They are only movies. No different than any any other movie they watched.
We raised our children to view movies for exactly what they are…movies.
Much ado about nothing.
Ok…I’m just going to reply to this and be done with it. My reply is: baloney.
I played in the school band in grade school. Some of the kids that played in the band liked classical. None of them were singled out for harrassment because of their liking for classical music. I’ve never heard of anyone, kid or adult, that was as horribly treated and ostracized as you say you were just because they liked classical music.
It’s my feeling, and I may be way off base here, that there must’ve been something else that engendered such a feeling of anger among your classmates.
I’m not for one minute saying that the harrassment was justified–not even in the slightest.
I’m sorry you were the victim of such vindictiveness. It was unfair and mean. But suggesting that it was solely the result of your liking for classical music stretches credibility. I mean, was your enjoyment of Brahms so all-consuming that you never participated in anything else? Were you so withdrawn into requiems and concertos that you didn’t take part in any other activities with other kids? Were you so dead set on being your own individual that you singled yourself out as “that weirdo Beethoven chick”?
sigh
In any event, I don’t want to banter this about any more.
I wish you the best, and I hope that the rest of your life is a helluva lot better then your school years.
reprise, my email address is in my user profile.
Indeed, and that was the entire point of the GD thread that turned into a pileon that refused to debate the OP entirely. Shameful, I tell you! Shameful!
You still haven’t addressed the “dangerous” comment, yosemitebabe.
If a Fundamentalist Christian person had made similar comments to those which have been made by lee and KellyM, they would have been called on their assertions.
Alternative sexuality has never been regarded as a “get out of gaol, free” card in the past, and if it’s going to become one in the future then let that policy be explicity stated in the rules of this board.
You don’t get to insult people just because you are “black” or “Jewish” or “lesbian” or “gay” or “republican” or any other damn group with which you choose to identifyand insist that the admins are treating “unfairly”.
You know what - the “clique” really DOES exist…Damn every one of those clique members to hell fo being more open-minded than you.
reprise, the only person to use the word “dangerous” in this thread so far is you. What are you talking about?
Hold up, you were interested in debate? I was getting the impression you were more interested in making Pronouncements, then getting snippy when called on them.
hardygrrl, that’s apparently because you cannot read. Not my problem.