Doper Diplomacy - Fall and Winter 2002

England’s in trouble, regardless. Does he realise that the army in Spain could reach Wales?

I find myself hoping Austria pulls this off. It’s just so gutsy. He’d better carve up Italy fast, though, or else he’ll get crushed like a bug.

I’m betting he will do F adr Convoys A tri-apu, and then if he’s really got courage he’ll build another fleet. If he’s friendly enough with Germany and Turkey, he might actually survive.

Turkey is going to have to go somewhere, though, once Sev and maybe Moscow are taken. I see the only other option as being west. I expect he will have them before Austria has Italy nailed down.

My (comparatively brief) experience is somewhat different - I don’t think I’ve been in a game that’s seen 1910.

Animating the moves would be simple on your own computer. Just download one of those make-your-own-screensaver pieces of freeware, and use the JPEGs of the Dip maps for the pix.

Or save 'em into a Powerpoint presentation.

Nate, notice anything different about the Dip 1040 pages? :slight_smile:

Thought I’d bump this again, since we’ve got a deadline coming up early Tuesday morning. Or late Monday night, depending on how you look at it. Let’s see some hot and heavy Dipping out there!

Well, as I said over on Fathom, Spring 1902 has been adjudicated, and then some. So, kibitzers, head for the usual place to check the map. And remember, if the deadline for a move hasn’t arrived yet, a link to that move is just there to tease you.

And Fall 1902 is due in 33 hours, so get that Dippin’ done, chillun. :slight_smile:

Whew, thank goodness. Now the withdrawl pains may subside.

I just hope that the outside board of critics and cynics pop in. Also, I was wondering what’s happening in that other strange game that JC was running?

Anyone notice who was the last one to post there? :smiley:

You mean this one? Looks like there was supposed to be a deadline this morning, but they must’ve had a delay.

JC - is that game Labor War 1035 or Dog Days 1025? It seems to be called different things in different places.

You know that the Dip is taking over your life when you see a thread titled “Help me get to Italy!” and you think that it is France looking for an alliance!

Comments from someone who’s never played:

RTF needs to pick .html or .htm and stick with it, there’s a broken link on the Winter 1901 page. Ok, so that’s not really relevant, but:

I’m still amazed that no one has taken Spain and Portugal.

Is Russia going to take Norway from England, or is England going to take St Petersburg from Russia?

Why is Belgium still showing as France’s even with a German unit on it? Same for Bul. Does it not change until the Winter?

I think Turkey is going to beat somebody up without a lot of warning, I just can’t decide if it’s Russia or Austria.

Finally, a question on the countries: are Sweden and Bulgaria considered to have to coasts? If not, why not, and how do you deal with that in Mapmaker?

And Munich, too (grumble). Yeah, you guessed it – ownership of a supply center (which is what is denoted by color) isn’t determined until Winter. Or, at the conclusion of the Fall turn at least.

Sweden has one contiguous coast (this may appear deceptive because of Denmark’s strange nature – see below). Bulgaria, Spain, and St. Petersburg are special cases in that they have 2 distinct coasts. To move a fleet from a sea province to one of these provinces, a coast must be specified – e.g. Fleet MAO (Mid-Atlantic Ocean) > Spa (sc). A Fleet on the south coast of Spain can move to MAO, Portugal, Western Med, Gulf of Lyon, or Marseilles, but cannot move to Gascony, whereas a Fleet on Spain’s north coast (something you rarely see), could move to MAO, Portugal, or Gascony. Similar, if more significant, distinctions apply to Bul and StP.

Denmark is also a unique province (well, Constantinople is kind of in the same boat). It counts in some ways as both a land and a sea square. Fleets can move to it from any adjacent sea square, without specifying a coast, and can move from it to any adjacent sea square. The same goes for Kiel – a fleet could move, for example, from Berlin, to Kiel, to Holland. It’s also a land square, however, and as such is considered adjacent to both Kiel and Sweden – an army can move directly from Den to Swe (note that an army cannot move from Spain to North Africa). Does that answer your question?
Be advised, I’m still new at this myself. And I’m sure someone else could have explained that much more succintly. For a more in-depth (although maybe less easily understood) explanation, check the rules here.

Things continue to get more complicated. England’s days look numbered, unless Germany or Russia decides to befriend the formerly Great Power. France has got it half right. Losing Belgium was embarrassing but not necessarily fatal. Germany has successfully stabbed France but cocked up its defence of Munich. Russia strides forward. Who’s prepared to bet against a Russian win? Turkey looks vulnerable to the Austrian and Russian advance. It has become a race to see who dies first, England or Turkey. Austria marches in step with Russia and Italy. But who to stab after Turkey? And Italy, what can one say? An army in Munich, totally dependent on French and Austrian good will. Serving no purpose except to piss off the Germans. All in all, a very complicated situation.

England (Weirddave): Poor old England. Failure to recognise the importance of Plaid Cymru has led to the revolting Welsh inviting a French army of liberation into Cardiff. Soon, Liverpool will join the newly free Welsh and the fearsome prospect of Scouse cuisine served with a French accent looms. Now is an excellent time to make friends with Russia and Germany.

France (Omniscient): A successful implementation of a cunning plan. Helping Italy against Germany allowed you to get away with a bold strike at England, even if it cost you Belgium. Getting Spain and Liverpool instead should help. Now all you have to worry about is keeping Italy on your side. The exposed A (Munich) helps on that front – it will require French support to survive. Mind you, pissing off both the English and the Germans may not have been the wisest of moves.

Germany (White Lightning): Scene – Berlin, the Reichstag. The army’s chief of staff, von Schlieffen, is reporting to Kaiser Wilhem II.
Kaiser Bill: “Vell von Schlieffen, how goes ze var.”
Von Schlieffen: “Zere ist some gut news und some bad news, your Kaisership.”
Kaiser Bill: “Ze gut news ist?”
Von Schlieffen: “My plan has vurked. Ve haff taken Belgische und are poised to advance on Paris.”
Kaiser Bill: “Gut. And ze bad news?”
Von Schlieffen (looks at interesting pattern on carpet and shuffles feet guiltily): “Ah. It appears zat some Italian tourists are visiting Munich.”
Kaiser Bill: “And vhy is zat bad news?”
Von Schlieffen (wondering if he’ll have enough of a head start): “Zere are half a million of zem. Mit guns. Und cavalry. Und artillery. Und zey say zey are staying.”
::: ducks & runs:::

Italy (Jonathon Chance): An Italian army in Munich? Who’d have thought it, especially since Tunis remains unconquered. An improbable position and, I think, ultimately untenable. You need both Austria and France to help you keep it there. I think Austria will stab you before France, which is why I’d talk to Turkey about supporting them into Greece.

Austria (Abe Babe): Good work so far, Abe. Personally, I’d have positioned an army in Tyrol to stab Italy this fall. You’d get Venice and make friends with the Germans without encouraging them too much. Never mind, I’m sure possession of Bulgaria is useful. Now, if only you can get your army out of Trieste to build a fleet there in Winter. That would be very anti-Italian.

Russia (Maeglin): The Russian juggernaut rolls west and south. The alliance with Austria should stuff Turkey eventually but I think Austria will get more of the bird than you. Norway and Denmark are also vulnerable but which to go for? Norway is the easiest, since England is most vulnerable, but the opportunity against Germany has, thanks to the Italians, come earlier than expected. Should it be taken?

Turkey (ShibbOleth): Poor old Turkey. The sick roast dinner of Europe. Feebly fighting fundamentalist foes, frayed feathers flapping fruitlessly. (Sorry, a sudden rush of alliteration.) Your best bet may be to attack Greece, supported by Italy, but I suspect the Italians are going for Tunis this go. It’s been nice knowing you, however brief the encounter.


Go Alien – strategic advice and general shit-stirring provided :smiley:

See, that’s the kind of stuff we need more of. Come on, people! Get on with the hecklin’ now!

RT!

I sent in orders but my email is acting futzy at the server. Can you confirm?

Nate

Yup, they got here. Time-stamped 18:13:29. Relax.

I’ve thrown up a basic Dip 1046 page here, for now, to help the denizens and kibitzers of that game view things.

I’m not promising to maintain it, but if someone else wants to take it over with Nate’s permission, it’s got the usual basic structure and just needs the usual blanks filled in and a new page added each move.

It’s always fun when two nations stab each other and both succeed.

But I think Italy’s stab of Germany should have waited until the Fall turn. That army in Munich just ain’t secure, even with Austria and France’s help.

France is in a very nice spot right now, assuming he can hold off the German armies for a little while. Austria’s not looking too shabby, either. England…ouch. That’s gonna hurt. Turkey has problems, but I think he can buy himself time to deal with them. (Then again, I said that about England a turn or two ago, didn’t I?)

And Russia…a country in need of a good enemy. Are you getting what you want out of your alliance with Austria, I wonder?

Well, RT?

I’m prepared to be as patient as you were with me, buddy!

Well, that’s a relief, Nate! :wink:

The Fall 1902 moves are up. We have one retreat pending - Germany needs to decide where his Belgian army should flee to. As soon as we have that, I’ll update the map again, and post the builds and disbands.

If anyone’s wondering when they look at the map, RealPolitik will show last year’s SC ownership until the fall move is complete, including retreats.

I changed my mind and “unofficially” posted the builds, disbands, and ownership, to help people get started in deciding what to build or remove. Check the Fall 1902 page, below the move orders.

There’s nothing unofficial about the numbers, AFAICT, it’s just that I had to pretend to RealPolitik that a retreat had already taken place in order to make it provide those numbers. But you don’t have to wait on Germany’s retreat to post your builds or disbands if you’re not affected by his choice, if you want to email me your builds or disbands.