Doper parents, share your tricks of the trade

Ok, off in GD there is a thread about SAHMs vs WOTHMs. You can visit it here.

Anyway… some of the moms that posted wondered how parents in the other camps got certain things done like shopping, cooking, errands, doctor appointments and hair cuts. Genie suggested a mom strategies thread and I think that’s a grand idea. :slight_smile:

I’m especially curious about how to cope with an extra child in the system as I will be having my second in October.

So doper parents … here’s your opportunity to give your best advice and share your biggest ‘don’t try this at home’ moments.

Don’t, don’t, don’t kill yourself trying to “be fair”. It will never work. I read this in a magazine many years ago, and it has saved us countless heartache and countless dollars. I’ve explained to my kids that “fair” means everyone will get what they need when they need it, not everyone gets the same thing at the same time. For example, let’s say I see a great shirt on sale for my oldest. In order to buy it, do I have to buy shirts for my other two as well, even if the prices aren’t very good, or I’m not very pleased with the selection? Under the rules of “perfectly fair”, yes; under the new rules of fairness, no. But, when I see a great pair of pants for my middle kid, I can get them for her, with no guilt. See, even if you did buy them all shirts, you’re likely to hear “Not fair! Hers have rhinestones! How come mine doesn’t have rhinestones?”, etc. Under the “new rules of fair”, that’s not a problem!

Buy a cattle-prod. Short, sharp, and very effective. And you don’t have to actually catch them to ‘get’ them.

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Seriously though, don’t overdo the compensatory stuff for the older child when number # 2 comes along. Reassuring them that they are still a very special child is one thing, but some parents have a tendency to totally pander to the whims of the older one (especially in the early days) for fear of them feeling rejected. In the process, the needs of the younger one can tend to be sidelined, and the older one comes to believe that it is always appropriate for them to be considered FIRST.

Older kid might lose a bit of your time and attention, but in a few months they will have an adoring little brother or sister who saves his/her most special smiles and gurgles for them. You shouldn’t worry too much about them feeling left out…living in a ‘family’ is something that most of us have to learn sooner or later. Better sooner.

Kids get used to what you do often. Sounds simple, but often overlooked.

My kids (ages 6, 3, and 1 with another on the way) are used to going shopping often. They don’t complain about it (much) because it’s a normal part of everyday life. By trying to make it easier on them, it really ends up harder. IF you keep them always entertained, they come to expect constant entertainment.

When my oldest was a baby, people would tell me not to bother trying to feed him veggies or other healthy stuff, because kids never like that stuff. Well, my idea is that we all like what we’re used to (no one craves Thai food until they’ve had Thai food). So over 6 years later ALL of my kids happily eat good food (tonight’s menu: tofu, rice and broccoli). They all have your normal likes and dislikes (one can’t stand artichokes, another hates apples) but there are lots of other good things to feed them.

When they give me the, “I’m bored” business, I tell them quite clearly it’s not my job to make their life fun. They can read, color, do a puzzle, listen to music, etc.

But life around here is pretty fun. I usually try to do one fun thing and one boring-but-necessary thing a day. This morning we spent a few hours at the children’s museum. Then in the afternoon we went by Home Depot.

“What your mother just said!”

A united front is important, but sometimes… just sometimes, it’s really cool to wait until mum’s bak is turned, and do the conspiratorial “Psssst. Hey… c’mere. Shhhhhhhhh! Here’s that chocolate. Now disappear before your mum sees you, ok? I’ll deny all knowledge…”

That makes kids feel special and part of something bigger. Just don’t overdo it.

Aaah… what else? Oh yeah, when saying ‘no’, it can be good to give a reason so the kid will learn, but it’s also appropriate I think to occasionally just say “Because I said so!”. Kids like set limits, even if they don’t consciously realise they like them.

My last post came across as more hard-core than I’d intended.

But it was inspired by an incident this weekend. A neighbor couple invited my family to dinner, and the kids were welcome to come (they have a 2 year old son).

She’d told us ahead of time that the menu would be grilled salmon, new potatoes, and carrots.

When we got there, she set a lovely table with fabulous looking food, then pulled out the ‘kids food.’ It was fish sticks, tater tots, and canned fruit medley. My kids were looking longingly at the more yummy looking adult food.

I commented politely that she hadn’t had to prepare a separate meal just for the kids. She looked agast and said that she always made a separate meal for her son. After all, everyone knows kids don’t like grown-up food. If she and her husband were having roast chicken, the kid would get chicken nuggets, and if they were having a nice penne pasta, the boy got mac 'n cheese.

I told her, “Wow, that sounds like a lot of work! I’m just lazy. If I’m making roast chicken for dinner, then the kids get roast chicken too.” The lady looked at me as if I’d suggested giving the kids feces to eat. She just said, “But kids don’t like that kind of food!”

Well, your kid isn’t going to like it because he is never exposed to it! How can he learn to like salmon if he only gets fish sticks?

This incident added to some already building frustration. At my son’s 6th birthday party, we provided dinner. My husband (who is Swiss) made a fabulous Swiss dish with Gruyere, pasta and potatoes. We also had a veggie plate and fruit salad.

I had one dad come up and say, “Food looks great! But what are the kids going to eat?”

Ummmm… how about all the yummy food on the table in front of you?

My wife and I have found consistency to be the key, especially once the second comes along. Our 4 year old knows what to expect at all times, so he doesn’t push his luck very often. As Autz said above, they get used to what you normally do. If you normally let them whine and throw fits and so on, they will.

Here is a little gem from a book I read once, don’t remember the title. The book basically said that your children will ony respond to you when they know you mean business. If you ask three times nicely, but don’t enforce what you want done, then you might raise your voice to get your child’s attention. After this, they will normally only respond when you raise your voice. A comparison was given to training a horse ( I know that sounds awful). The horse was trained to respond to its owner’s whisper. When a stranger was riding the horse and couldn’t get it to stop he started yelling louder and louder, which didn’t work at all. All he had to do was whisper “whoa”.

I have tried this for about a year now with my son, and he will now respond to what I say when I use a very calm and low voice. It is less stressful for everyone involved. This might be more useful advice for your husband, since men tend to have a harder time being patient with the young ones.

Good luck with the new baby, and blessings on your family!

autz, your commentary seems to tie in to the seemingly growing concept that kids’ food MUST be entertaining as well as “for kids only.” Purple ketchup, blue butter, “fun” Lunchables instead of a regular sandwich . . . Once in a while is OK, but I think kids need to learn that not everything in life is a circus laid out just for them, and there is pleasure in “normal” things as well as the goofy ones.

I’ll preface this by saying that I don’t have kids (though we have relatives’ kids over all the time), but I agree with autz. Kids learn to deal with what they’re exposed to.

Several years ago, my little sis worked for an Indian couple who had a two-year-old and a seven-year-old. Both kids ate what their parents ate, including HOT Indian food, without complaint. (She brought some home to me a few times; that’s how I know it was really hot–I couldn’t hack it.)

On a related note, we’ve been watching my husband’s sister’s little boy, who’s 4, ever since he was a wee small one. Even after he turned two, she would bring him over for the night with juniors Gerber food, applesauce, etc. Generally, she took it back home with her, too, 'cause he wanted to eat what we ate. (Considering the taste of some of that “kids” food, I couldn’t very well blame him.)

My mom’s rule for us growing up: we didn’t have to clean our plates, but we did have to take three bites of everything. I always thought that was pretty reasonable.

More on kiddy food (and over-the-top experiences in general): if you get purple ketchup and goofy finger food every day, what fun are Micky Mouse or kitty-cat pancakes on the weekend?

My mom never made me eat anything. (I had Crohn’s disease, and getting me to eat anything was a success.) I ate what I wanted when I wanted. I always thougt it was weird when I went over to a friend’s house and their moms tried to make me eat everything (it never happened. I ate until I was full, and that was that.)

Also, don’t let little kids drink soda. They’ll get into the habit of wanting a Coke every time they get thirsty, and that’s no good at all. My drink options when I was little were juice, water, or milk. And now, at 17, I drink juice all the time. I never drink soda unless there’s no other options.

(Hey, I may not be a parent, but kids know whether or not their parents are doing a good job. I am a wonderful child, obviously my parents did an excellent job. :))

What autz said about kids’ food.

It’s rare that I’ll fix Aaron a separate meal, unless I’m making something inappropriate, like fish with bones or other food that presents a choking hazard. Otherwise, he eats what we eat. Tonight, he had some pork chop with fresh green beans, beets, and rice pilaf, which is what the rest of us had. It’s so much easier and cheaper to do that than it is to fix a separate dinner. He’s learning to like new foods, and it’s just as easy to teach him to like healthy foods as it is to teach him to like junk.

I also take Aaron with me when I do the shopping, or even just to go out to a restaurant for lunch. He has to learn to behave properly, and keeping at home isn’t going to teach him manners. His very proper, very etiquette-conscious great-grandmother was impressed with his public behavior. For a one-year-old, he’s pretty neat. :slight_smile:

Robin

Ooh, a thread from my idea! I’m honored. :slight_smile:

Yes to the food thing. We tried giving GenieGirl (now 3) veggies before fruit as a baby, and it seemed to work fine. She eats what we eat, and isn’t very picky at all. (That might be her dad’s side of the family coming out–his brothers will eat anything!)

My strategy to get her to put away her toys is to tell her that if she doesn’t help put away her things, I’ll put them away myself–where she can’t get them. This has always worked until the other night, and now the high shelf in my closet has several items on it. Today she picked up her room pretty well.

I’ve been on a self-improvement campaign lately to become a more organized person. I’ve always been pretty messy and so on, and I’m tired of it. My new, improved self has a housework schedule (!) and a notebook to keep information in. I love it! I never have to think about what housework to do; I just do whatever my job is for the day, and forget about it. Things are always reasonably sanitary and semi-neat, and I spend less time doing it or worrying about it.

The munchkin never wanted baby food. She’s always eaten what we’ve had. She runs hot and cold though… she will eat something and then one day it becomes the forbidden food. This generally lasts a couple of weeks and she will like it again. I don’t worry much about it she seems to be growing fine.

We give her some soda but we water it down heavily.

We’ve also taken her everywhere since she was an infant. She’s used to errands and shopping and restaurants and is reasonably behaved for a 2 year old.

Tell, don’t ask, your child to do something if there is no other option. If you phrase things as a question and they pick an answer you don’t want it is not their fault! I see my friends do this constantly and then wonder why they have an irate kid!

I also find it is easier to lock something away than to nag at her to leave it alone. There was a childproofing thread a ways back and people were quite proud that their kids could be told once not to touch something and that was it. My kid isn’t like that and we’ve learned to keep anything you want her away from up high or behind a locked door. I feel better not telling her no all day and she is safer this way.

Buy washable crayons only!!!

Just accept the fact that every kid is different and no one thing will work for all of them. I got so fed up with friends offering their “helpful” suggestions that really meant, “you should do it my way because this is the only right way to do it.” I have two boys ages 10 and 7 and they’re as different as night and day. Sometimes you’ve just got to try different approaches until you see that little light bulb turn on and know you’ve found the right one.

And sometimes, there is no right approach and what Bill Cosby said works best in response to the “it’s not fair,” debate: “I’m not interested in justice, I’m interested in silence.” :wink:

Oh, and don’t forget the washable markers, too!

Working with Two

When the baby naps in the afternoon, instill a quiet time/nap time routine for the elder sibling.

This will give you a break to either pass out completely or try to tackle something. My vote is always for nap time for momma.

Housework will always wait.

Oh, I’m full of advice:

Yes, housework will ALWAYS wait for you! My kids are grown now, but one piece of advice I am glad I took was to value their childhood more than the housecleaning. After all, when they reach their teens and don’t want to admit that you even exist, or when they are independent and on their own, you want more to remember than having had a clean house for 20 years.

Read to children even before they understand what it’s about. It is not only good for their mental development, it’s good for everyone’s emotional development too, to have that quiet time together sitting close and enjoying a story.

Say what you mean and mean what you say (as much as possible). If a child asks for something and you say “no,” and he/she starts to whine or have a tantrum, the response must be ABSOLUTELY no. Otherwise you are rewarding the whining or the tantrum. I’ve seen parents who will say, “It’s time for bed right now!” for an hour or two. It’s no surprise that the kids never took any direction seriously. Or the ones who give in to the candy or whatever after 15 minutes of obnoxious behavior just to shut the youngster up. So they just taught that if you engage in enough obnoxious behavior, you can have anything you want. My reaction to the crying or whatever was to tell the child, “Well, up until now you had a chance I might change my mind later, or you might have gotten that tomorrow or after dinner, but since you are behaving badly you will definitely not get that at all.” And I made sure I followed through.

Don’t put a child in a situation that’s more than she is able to handle. My younger was physically unable to sit still and be quiet as a pre-schooler. Not bad, just very active and talkative. It was impossible to take her places like restaurants. Until she had learned how to control her restlessness and to use a soft voice when necessary, we simply didn’t go to restaurants with her. We didn’t punish her, but we just said that in restaurants you have to act in a certain way, and that when she was able to do so, she could come along, too.

Of course, we all will make mistakes, some worse than others. Don’t try to be the perfect mom/dad. You can’t. If you try, you will only make things worse by stressing out yourself and your family. The WORST holiday we ever had was when I tried to do all the stuff you’re “supposed” to do – the decorations, the gingerbread men, the perfect dinner, the perfectly-wrapped presents, visit both sets of grandparents, etc. By Christmas afternoon we were all so frazzled that those of the female persuasion were in tears and poor Daddy was irritated beyond belief.

Another mistake I made was along the same lines of naively making assumptions about my children’s interests and abilities. I think there was a lot of projection going on, that I was unaware of until much later. Sometimes I was too harsh and too quick to say “no.” Sometimes I imposed standards that, on later reflection, were based merely on what my own parents’ standards were without examining those standards more realistically. As an example: My older daughter wanted to go to the local vocational school. I assumed that the academic standards would be entirely too low, and that the class of person she would associate with would not be good enough. Being an eager-to-please person, she argued a bit, but then gave up. My younger daughter was more persistent and kept bringing me more and more information about the exact program she wanted. When I acquiesced, and she was in that school, she was actually better off. She told me that the students in the vo-tech school were more serious and hard-working because they all had specific goals and objectives they had chosen, whereas a large number of those in the mainstream school were just kind of drifting aimlessly, with a goal of getting by with as little work as possible. What an eye-opener that was!

I can think of a ton of other major and minor errors I made. One additional concept I would offer is not to take yourself too seriously or judge yourself too harshly. Parenting is the only job (and it is hard work) I can think of that is done ENTIRELY by amateurs. You will make a ton of mistakes. Some of them you will think you have learned from, but it is too late, since if you have a subsequent child, or try to offer your little lessons to some other parent, it may be irrelevant. Each new child is a completely new project, with different requirements, assets and liabilities. Just love them and do the best you can with the resources you have at your disposal, and accept both your own and the child’s imperfections.

My tip is more practical than philosophical.

I stopped buying pajamas for my toddler (now preschool) son. I generally dress him in whatever he will be wearing the next day. Of course, this means he has to have comfortable clothes to wear and sleep in, but he doesn’t mind wearing sweats in the winter and comfy shorts in the summer. It cuts down on laundry, saves time in the morning, frees up a drawer in the dresser, and saves money on pjs.

My kids used to fight so much in the car I’d have to pull over almost every time we went out. I finally hit on the idea of getting audio books from the library and it works like a charm! I’m really big on reading anyway and now I can get them interested in lots of stuff I liked as a kid. If I tried reading the same books at home it wouldn’t work as well because they are chapter books without pictures, but in the car they will listen and look out the window. We’ve really enjoyed Roald Dahl, John Bellairs, E.B. White, etc. and we talk about the books at the dinner table. (My kids are 11 and 6.)

Find a couple with similar age kids as yours.

Do Saturday movie day. Everyone at one house. One set of adults heads to the movie early, the other goes when the first set comes back.

You can split up the adults any way you want (couples, gender, mixed couples, whatever).