I will assume up front that you don’t think climate change, or at least man made climate change, is a serious threat. True?
What do you think of homosexuality and transgenderism? What do you think of people who are either or both? Are you at all concerned about what may happen to such people under Trump (or more accurately, the people Trump is likely to appoint), whether the source of action is the government, family, employers, or what have you? Why or why not? If you could talk to such a person who’s afraid for themselves or the young people like them, what would you say to them?
When you voted against the ACA, what did or do you expect those who lose their insurance and can’t get it individually to do? What would you say to them if one of them was in front of you right now and expressed fear for their lives?
Do you think another 2008 style financial crisis is possible? What should government, and Trump, do to prevent such?
There are probably more, but these are the ones that have jumped out as a result of other threads and posts. Serious responses appreciated.
I’m not a Trump voter, but I’m sympathetic and I’m trying hard to avoid real work, so…
I’m a Lukewarmist. It’s real, but the danger is overblown and we’re better off mitigating the effects instead of trying (and inevitably failing) to take global carbon consumption back to 1800 levels.
I’d say that the DNC, the Clinton campaign, and the media have spent months investigating Trump, and if there were any stories of him mistreating gays or transgender people, you’d have heard about it. There’s no evidence he’s sincerely religious, he’s a lifelong New Yorker, and he’s a taskmaster quick to fire underlings who go against him. Maybe a better question is to ask those persons what specifically, concretely, they are afraid will happen.
If the pubs merely repeal the ACA, I assume most of us (I include myself) who are in that boat will be back where things were five years ago; when not having insurance sucked, but people were not dying in the streets for lack of healthcare. But since they’ve repeatedly said they will “repeal and replace” the ACA, we’ll have to see what they replace it with.
Of course it is, and there is nothing Trump, or Obama, or anyone else can do to prevent it. It’s highly unlikely an exact repeat would happen, and there are things that have been, done to lessen the risk, but highly complex systems are unpredictable. Nobody can sell you a computer that is 100% virus-proof, nobody can give a 100% forecast for tomorrow’s weather … and the global economy is orders of magnitude more complex. That’s life.
#2–I’ve never been able to understand why liberals have become so supportive of homosexuality. After all, by the standard of evolutionary theory, homosexuality is unnatural, and even worse, hurtful to the survival of the species. Having said that, I don’t necessarily have a problem with homosexual orientationper se, but rather with homosexual behavior. If homosexuality is in fact an inherent trait, then such people are deeply to be pitied.
I have no concern for such people under the Trump administration. Their propaganda has wormed its way too deeply into society for them to be in any danger.
Transgenderism–somebody who wants to cut off a healthy arm is considered mentally ill, and generally diagnosed with Body Integrity Identity Disorder. I cannot understand why a man who wants to cut off his penis shouldn’t be treated the same way. I believe that either that diagnosis, or possibly Body Dysmorphic Disorder, covers the vast majority of transgendered people.
#3–The whole system of health insurance needs to be reworked from the ground up. But Obamacare was the wrong way to go about it, for several reasons–legal, moral, philosophical, etc. Anybody who can’t afford health insurance on their own is in a perilous state. HOWEVER–(A), life is inherently unfair, and (B), as somebody once said, “The world doesn’t owe you a thing. It was here first.” Living in poverty and/or sickness, while admittedly very unpleasant, has been the lot of virtually all people throughout history.
Somebody without insurance is perfectly free to ask for help. And there are many charities who respond to such requests. But for somebody else to be forced to help that person through tax dollars is highly immoral.
#4–Over the long run, a similar downturn is inevitable. However, such things tend to be once-in-a-lifetime events. The next recession will probably be more or less average.
The federal government has absolutely no business whatsoever intervening in any recession or depression, unless it is literally to keep people from starving to death.
By the standard of evolutionary theory, 10% of chordate animal populations exhibit same-sex directed sexual behavior, and among pair-bonding species, same-sex relationship bonds occur.
Yo, guys, while I’d like to start an refutation on some points already posted the purpose of this thread seems to be to ask Trump supporter their opinions and I, for one, would actually like to hear what they have to say whether or not it agrees with my personal positions. If ya’ll start trying to refute their opinions that’s not going to happen. This is one thread where I think we really do have to agree to disagree in order to give those answering the questions the space to truly be honest without fear of being shouted down.
So, please, let the Trump supporters answer honestly and refrain your impulse to refute them. This forum is supposed to be about fighting ignorance and we can’t do that unless we allow everyone to express themselves openly.
I think transgendered people are mentally ill, and should be offered mental health treatment. I also think Trump is the gay-friendliest Republican nominee I could imagine. I can understand why illegal immigrants and even Muslims might feel afraid right now, but I can’t for the life of me, figure out why the LGBT community is afraid. Do they really think Pence is going to put them in concentration camps?
I’d suggest they consider moving to Massachusetts, or encourage the nearest blue state to adopt some state-level version of Obama care, and live there. There are options besides the federal government doing something.
yes, it’seems certainly possible. Not sure what they should do to fix it because it’s just a hypothetical with unknown cause (s) right now.
See furt’s answer. “Lukewarmist” is a good label for me.
But add to that the fact that I am totally in favor of doing all or most of the things we would need to do to mitigate it. Increase energy efficiency? Super. Alternative energy sources? I just got solar panels on my house, they’re awesome. Though of course I also favor nuclear energy, which many green types oppose, wind farms, ditto, hydroelectric…you get the idea.
I think some of them are nice people. Some of them are assholes. Kind of like everyone else.
I see no grounds for concern at this time. Yes, Mike Pence is Vice President, that is less that ideal. His views on the social issues are not a good match for mine.
But I can’t help but think of Teddy Roosevelt. A lot of machine bosses who hated him actually wanted him kicked upstairs to the position, to get him out of their hair, effectively neutering him.
And yes, I know, it didn’t work out well for them. But going by the odds, it was a good bet. Even better today with our much more advanced medical care.
It’s not my place to say. Or to pay for it, whatever it is. Presumptively, though there are some reforms I could support that might involve taking my tax money.
But not that 1600 page monstrosity.
Yes, and I’ve actually given that some thought. To break it down as succinctly as possible, “too big to fail” means “too big to exist”. If we ever have to bail out out giant corporations through another TARP or similar, they will have to, as a condition of the bailout, break up into no less than three separate companies, with roughly similar market caps.
No, but in my state Pence signed law that made it legal to not only deny them employment but also commerce by allowing any business to refuse to do business with them. Not camps so much as making it legal to deny them housing, jobs, and the ability to purchase the necessities of life. Which is pretty awful. Would actually allow any individual to discriminate against anyone and excuse it with “religion”, so other groups like Muslims were also quite worried, but it was pretty clear in context it was aimed at the LGBTQ folks.
Fortunately, the vast majority of people in this state are more tolerant than Pence and the worst has not come to pass. That, and a month later the law was amended to protect some rights. But I can totally see why the LGBTQ community is worried right now. Pence doesn’t just think they’re mentally ill, he wants them gone. Not necessarily in the sense of lining them up against the wall and shooting them but he is NOT tolerant and does not want them openly in society. Either way, way deep in the closest or very much somewhere else.
So he lied about what he will do and will compromise. He’ll screw over the very people who put him in office.
He sure started wallowing in the swamp awfully fast.
Members of those appealed-to demographics seem to feel empowered in their racist and sexist statements, whether or not Mr Trump intends to stand behind those sentiments or not. BTW, I haven’t heard of him asking people to stop drawing swastikas on the walls.
When Trump says “I’m going to deport every single illegal alien,” his critics take him literally and start making logistical arguments. His supporters take him seriously – that is, they translate him as meaning “I am going out on a limb here to emphasize that really am going to do everything I can to restore the border and enforce the law, unlike every other asswipe politician of the last 20 years who spoke softly, and then once elected used the logisitical challenges as an excuse for doing nothing.”
I don’t want to derail the thread, but is it really that big of a shock to people that somewhere out there someone might not like them? While I think there’s a lot to be said for civility and tolerance, a lot of times it’s just easier to avoid the situations. The GrubHub CEO sent a letter to his employees telling Trump supporters to resign. The Governor of New York said that conservatives “have no place in the state of New York”. College events sometimes exclude whites or males. And I’m certain that if I wander into the wrong inner-city neighborhood on the wrong night, I can have a crowd of angry people wanting to beat the hell out of me, just because I’m white.
I’d encourage Trump-supporting GrubHub employees to quit, conservatives in New York to move, and white males at Ryerson to pick a new college (and hopefully one less likely to cause brain damage to its students). I’ll try to avoid the ghetto neighborhoods where they sometimes attack people because of their race, and if a baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for your gay wedding, find a different baker. All of those solutions seem way easier than trying to convince those people to change their views and become nice. YMMV.
You remember Hillary’s dicta about a public and private persona - again, who knew.
FFS, either you people are just simple naive fools or you still with the faux bullshit.
It’s time to grow up folks, the election is over and the grown ups are changing the world.