Dopers: should I just let getting yelled at work go?

Please reconsider. Please stand up for yourself.

Send e-mail to all involved, as a follow-up to the situation. Send it to your boss, and CC everyone else involved. Phrase it professionally. Have the general tone be: this policy caused trouble; how should we handle it next time, or how can we improve it? Not only should you stand up for yourself, but it is good business practice to take a situation where things didn’t work, and try to fix the procedure so it doesn’t happen again in the future, and to discuss it with all involved. It needs to be put on the record what happened. It needs to be on the record that 1) you wewre just following procedure and 2) you made an effort to try to improve the procedure for the future. Say:

So what are her real world options? Quit? Go to war with the Senior Admin partner? Run to HR? You’re telling me you don’t agree with the advice I gave, but you aren’t offering anything of your own other than making blanket statements about the way things ought to be.

You seem to think that if approached tactfully, he will see the error of his ways and agree to sin no more. Let me assure you that is an idle fantasy in approaching most high powered executives with a large egos. If she raises a fuss about his obnoxious, but fully legal outburst, she is likely to be “released” at the first opportunity.

astro’s right. This isn’t my first time dealing with people like him. Part of the problem with today’s issue is my husband is actually mad at me for not doing something about the yelling/raising voice issue. He thinks I’m playing the victim here and doesn’t want to see me like this (whatever ‘this’ is).

UrbanChic, I absolutely agree with you that you shouldn’t complain about the partner yelling at you. It won’t do any good, and will likely come back to haunt you. But if I were you, I would try to find out what you should have or could have done differently. It may end up indirectly validating your handling of the situation without putting you in a bad spot and, better yet, changing things so that you’re not put in the same crappy situation again.

It doesn’t have to be a confrontation, just an informational request.

Well, I’m inclined - if you like your job - to let this go * at this time*.

However, it’s obvious that partern guy is a bully. Generally, bully’s colapse like a house of cards when you do a little pushing back. If you ever have to have an encounter with this person again, I would take a deep breath, strengthen your resolve, and when he tries to cut you off, say in a loud (but not yelling) voice “Excuse me - I was NOT finished speaking.”

This works surprisingly well with people who aren’t sociopaths. If he is a sociopath - well, um, leaving the room seems like an excellent option.

Good luck. :slight_smile:

Actually, I offered some advice for what she should do (and I should have done in the same situation) in my first post in this thread.

This isn’t about what she’s trying to get him to do - this is about what she needs to do to for herself, so that she doesn’t feel like she is letting him walk over her. I don’t care how powerful people are in a company; I stand by my assertion that nobody has the right to treat other people like this.

Question: is your direct manager supportive?

If so, I would tell the whole story to her/him. Document it, just in case, of course. If you were working for me I would go and talk to the partner, as him if he thinks a new policy is needed for loaners (which it seems to be) and mention that yelling at my employees is not acceptable - and make it sound as if you haven’t been complaining, I’m complaining. That makes it less personal, and focuses on solving what seems to be a problem. Then you can write a recommendation about how to improve things. The partner is more likely to apologize and be reasonable if nothing is written. Apologizing to you would be gravy, but it doesn’t sound too likely.

Another one for Giraffe’s solution – act as if this is an opportunity to change things – and that you are a problem solver.

I’ve done similar things in the past, and have had very positive responses - even from my own versions of YELLING MAN.

Combine Giraffe’s advice with nyctea scandiaca’s sample email & send to your Boss and any other involved parties.

Oh, that’s good, lexi. Makes it known that there was a problem that needs some work, without urbanchic coming across as a complainer.

It was all Giraffe & nyctea scandiaca - but as they say in the office world - you gotta be proactive rather than reactive - :rolleyes: -but it does work – the Yelling Man is happy you are on his side, and the boss thinks you are proactive - and everyone knows that the problem is with the policy - not with you - because you want to find a solution.

Yep. I agree with your husband.

You seem too willing to just let things be, and you’re backing off from confrontation.
I understand not wanting to create more trouble for yourself though, especially in a big company where the bosses like to sound off at their underlings. But when its not your fault, you need to clear your name. Otherwise you’ll be remembered unfavourably as the girl who creates trouble for her colleagues.

I also like lexi’s combination of the Giraffe and nyctea scandiaca emails.

It shows you recognize a problem and are taking actions to fix it, and it does so in such a way that you are not apologizing or accepting blame for something that was not your fault. Before you send the email however, you may want to calmly discuss the situationwith your immediate supervisor just so he/she is aware of the situation and knows your side of it and what you plan to do to fix things. Many supervisors hate to find out about problems when they’re copied on an email.

As for the yelling thing, it shouldn’t have happened. However, there are people who are allowed to get away with that (either they’re really good at their jobs, have knowlege no one else does, or are related to someone important).

My boss is such a person. HR knows she’s a big bully at times. However, there’s very little they can do about it since she doesn’t ever cross the line and do something that violates our company’s code of ethics or the law. Her boss is well aware of her shortcomings, but he wants to keep her (and keep her happy) because she knows so much about the business and gets good results. Frankly, even though he values my contribution to the company, he’d rather keep her than me. I’m easier to replace. My boss sucks, but I stay because I like the work I do, like my coworkers (other than my boss), and they pay me well (I tend to get bigger raises and bonuses than those working for easier managers–I guess it’s some sort of hazard pay). Plus, I’m kind of thick skinned with regards to her.

That said, you don’t neccessarily have to just stand there and take it. Depending on the yelling man’s personality, there may be ways to address it. My boss tends to back down when I say “I understand you feel strongly about this, and I want to make it work for you. However, I can’t think clearly when you’re yelling. It just makes me frazzled.” That works with my boss because she respects strength and knows she has problems.

There are some where you just have to suck it up no matter how awful it is. The yelling man may be one of those people. If so, it’s really tough to do, but you have to learn not to take it personally or let it bother you in the slightest. If you don’t let it bother you, it may not bother your husband so much.

Take it from someone who’s been in the corporate world and all the politics and backbiting that occurs, DO NOT go off sending emails and cc’ing everyone with your problem. Emails, no matter how well you try to word them, can be twisted and used against you. And remember that once an email is sent, assume that the whole company will have access to its contents! My suggestion is talk through the situation with someone you respect in your company, perhaps a mentor or someone whose opinion you trust. My first instinct is to go speak confidentially with HR. Theoretically, HR is supposed to be a neutral party and is obligated to keep personnel matters confidential. In practice, however, the HR person can be part of the problem. You will have to use your own judgment here.

I agree that the way to deal with the situation is to ignore the whole Yelling Partner Guy issue. He’s a yeller, and that’s all there is to that. He acted like an ass, and treated you badly, but if that’s his shtick – and clearly it is – and no one is willing to confront him about it – and clearly no one is – then nothing you do can fix that.

What you can do is to work to fix the policy, or fix the way that the support staff understand the policy, so that the problem which prompted the whole yelling incident can be avoided in the future.

Talk to the people who made the policy, and the people who made the policy known to the support staff. If the policy needs to stand, ask for it to be reiterated and explained to the support staff.

I’m figuring that this is a no-brainer, secretaries must fill out the form so that there is a chain of documentation on who wants what equipment and who has what equipment, and secretaries must fill out the form because they know what needs their people will have, IT will not, and by the time they call an IT person and dictate the content of the form on the phone, they could’ve filled it out themselves.

Secretaries, of course, tend to view their areas as petty fiefdoms, which is somewhat true. They hate anything whch adds to their workload, as we all do. But this is something that can be entirely justified as part of their responsibility and that needs to be made entirely clear to them – not only for the benefit of IT and yourself, UrbanChic but for the benefits of the teams that they support.

Very true. And you know, chances are (unless things at this firm are very odd) the secretary isn’t making travel arrangements, at the very worst, she’s playing telephone volleyball with the travel agent who’s making travel arrangements. I don’t imagine for a moment that she was sitting there at Expedia.com, trying frantically to find hotel rooms, and was therefore unable to fill out the (probably one page) form while she was able to call, page and e-mail UrbanChic and go bitching to the Yelling Partner Guy.

Sounds to me like Mr. Big is big-effing his secretary. If you leave your job (willingly or not), don’t be surprised if she is your successor…

Why is it that berating, insulting and degrading employees is perfectly lawful, while an inappropriate leer or two is actionable and possibly subject to stinging sanction? If both are emotionally traumatizing–and they are, in many cases, I believe–why the gross disparity in consequences and the tolerance of the former?

Some years ago I wrote a story on why women in certain professions STILL made less than men in those professions, on the whole. The professions I studied were (1) law (2) medicine and (3) veterinary medicine–three fields where the proportion of women has grown exponentially in the last 20 years. And guess what, even with all the education and specialized knowledge and even with experience, the ratio of earnings, female to male, was even less in those professions.

Being that it was a long article I interviewed lots of people, male and female, in those professions, to try and figure out the reason why, and one reason is that women, much more than men, will trade off money for the experience of working with people who are easier to work with.

I’m thinking here of the associates who don’t work under this lawyer any more.

The issue is not that he’s being racist or sexist by yelling atyou, the issue is that he probably yells at everyone (being an opinionated person and a lawyer, who is paid for his expert opinions).

Now I realize that UrbanChic is not a lawyer and so doesn’t fall into the group I studied but I’ll bet the same general rules apply in all professions where women and men do the same jobs and expect, but maybe don’t get, the same pay. Knowing that, in general, women will look for a gentler work environment at the expense of money while, in general, men won’t–does that color the situation at all? What men do, instead of changing jobs, is (in general) suck it up, work it out at the gym afterwards, take their frustration out on their families, or just find some way to deal with it and keep the job.

I would say the guy was venting. He’s a prima donna and, since he’s an attorney and a man, he gets to have hysterical fits and, since you, URbanChic, are neither an attorney nor a man, you don’t get to have hysterical fits, at least not at the office. (Okay, since he’s a man we can’t call them hysterical fits. At least not within his earshot.) In reality this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with his power structure. It doesn’t sound like it will have any long-term effect on how your job competence is perceived. Sometimes, people are just wound up, and they end up taking things out on their underlings. They think this is what underlings are for. They think everybody in the office is their underling.

Sure, you can choose not to work for them. Or you can tell yourself it’s just a job, it has nothing to do with who you are, and find some other way to work off your rage.

It doesn’t sound to me like you are going to fix this guy with any of your email plans. And he’s a partner. He’s an income center. You’re in IT. You’re a cost center. Go play racquetball. Every time you smack the ball, think of his head.

Just to add to this one - I’ve been in similar situations before. I think you might be surprised at the support that HR and/or your immediate boss can provide. After an unfortunate ‘altercation’ by email, I asked my boss if, indeed, I had been in the wrong. He was amazed that I’d tolerated some of the abuse that I had and secured an apology for me, on the basis that I had grounds for HR to take disciplinary action. This was with a senior manager.

In short, regardless of whether you are right or wrong, noone has the right to treat you unprofessionally at work. Do something about it.

You need to find yourself a quiet place and quiet your mind. Lightly clasp your hands together and say to yourself,

“What would Donald Trump do?”

You’re fired!!

First, decide if this job is something you want to stay with. Second, write down a complete synopsis of what happened. have this typed and notarized. Third, ask to talk to your boss, and politely request a formal apology-get it in writing, if possible.
Now, you have the beginnings of a harassment lawsuit. Evry time something lik this happens, document it…and get coworkers as witnesses.
Finally, when you’ve had enough, see a skilled lawyer who deals with workplace harassment-you may well have an excellent case!
In any case, DO NOT continually take crap from anyone. if you allow this to continue, it will only get worse.
Personally, slapping them with a nice lawsuit would be the best revenge!