No, I answered a pointless one.
So? Either way, you needn’t have bothered.
I have been away for the weekend. There seems to be a few avenues in that time that have been shut for discussion on this subject. I wish to have my 2c on record so I will post it here. I am unhappy with the proposed 30 day ban. It was a conscious circumvention of SDMB privacy policy. It would be unacceptable from any normal paying member. It is completely unacceptable of a board administrator.
A 30 day removal of admin. privileges is a recognition that something bad happened. It is nothing more. It seems to me that the decision says this: this is the minimum punishment the SDMB can pass without being seen to ignore its privacy policy.
I think TB is an asset to these boards. Just not in her current role.
Oh good, another thread with nothing new said on either side, which goes round and round until eventually it disappears up its own ass or is put out of its misery by a mod.
Some of you must be illiterate. Did it not yet sink in that this topic is verboten?
The pro tuba thread in MPSIMS has been happily chugging along for 12 hours without any problems.
Once the legal aspects of SM and tuba aren’t gone into I really don’t see a problem with pitting a member for supporting an admin with reasons that seem questionable at best.
I’ve written and canceled this a few times at this point, so I hope you’ll excuse me if I happened to say it once.
The 30-day ban is bullshit. If a mod/admin is found to have abused power, an appropriate penalty would be to strip them of their mod privileges and have them walk among us as ordinary mortals. Not merely allow a period of “quiet time” followed by their reinstatement with full powers. That way we could have a candid conversation, likesay, without fear of reprisal. Another advantage would be that you could find out whether they’re willing to participate in the community without being a position of power or authority (yes, I’m aware that some started out that way, but it would be very telling to find out if they could ever go back or not).
As things stand, I worry slightly that I risk being stalked or banned just for having expressed an opinion on this issue.
As has been said here before, this is not a democracy’ ours opinions don’t count.
Nah, the mods’ll just think you’re a douchebag now.
We’re paying customers. Our opinion damn well better count.
Ahh, you’re all just nattering nabobs of negativity. The silent majority, who have the sense not to partake in these bile-fests, all support DDG, and TubaDiva.
Their opinions count too, since they’re also paying customers. I’m objecting to the whole "This isn’t a democracy … " line, not how “it” was handled. Frankly, the attitudes of some of the mods and admins have shown towards some of the posters bothers me way more then the relative insignificance of TubaDiva’s punishment (which, if not what I would have preferred, is reasonable enough given all she’s done…)
Silence does not necessarily equal assent.
Our opinions may count, but in the end, there might be considerations (legal, logistical, etc.) that outweigh the outrage over this. You are free to take your money wherever you wish, but don’t think that your membership translates into x number of votes here.
And for the record, I have, and will continue to support TubaDiva, and eagerly await the return of her contributions to this board.
Nor does it mean dissent, especially when the Admins have asked us not to poke at this issue. The pissed off faction is almost certainly over represented in these threads.
I’d agree with that. Pity you didn’t say that.
That was pulled out of your arse. You were called on it because it’s quite clearly bollocks and not based on any facts.
Can someone help me out here? What logical fallacy is this again? I know it’s not a Hasty Generalization because Squink didn’t even base his assumption on a sample of any size.
And what happens the next time she makes a decision [as an admin.] that members view as unfair?
Won’t all this be dragged up again every time?
And what choices will there be then - will they ban everyone who dares to express outrage against her, ever?
Don’t you think it sets a bad example - if one admin or mod is allowed to get away with something that they knew was wrong, what hope is there, for the humble member who challenges a mod, to be treated justly?
We are the paying customers - we deserve to be treated with respect by the admin. people, whether they are volunteers or not - they agreed to abide by the rules when they took the job on.
Well, since I did ask for a cite, and since he was kind enough to come back and at least attempt to provide one, even if it is in the Pit, I guess I’ll respond.
Gracious of me, ain’t it?
Well, gee, my first post was directly underneath yours, so…I guess I assumed that you were intelligent and literate enough to grasp that I was responding to that particular post. I guess I won’t make that mistake again, sorry.
And as for my second post, you’re right, my bad. I did not attribute that quote, your name did not appear in lights, because it was what’s known as an “afterthought”.
And again, I assumed that, although a number of posts separated your post and my response, still they were on the same page, and that therefore someone who was reading the thread would be able to follow the conversation, and would realize that I was responding to a previous post, and if he was interested, he could have used Find In This Page to find the post I was responding to, and so could figure out whose previous Golden Utterances I was just then addressing.
Like you apparently managed to do, although I suspect that it must have been a struggle for you…But, bravo! You persevered. You succeeded in determining that I was, in fact, talking to you, although I had failed utterly to provide any valuable hints or clues, such as your name in bolded lights.
Well, see, my bad, I guess. My brain does not work with lightning-like speed, and so I am constantly prey to these pesky “afterthoughts”. It’s like a Sixties LSD flashback, I guess.
Or maybe it’s a Red Hat Fifty thing, goes along with the bifocals and the creaking knee joints.
Just a FYI…the “Hello Opal” schtick got old about two years ago.
Now then.
What you said was, “TubaDiva can and will rationalize around rules to do whatever she wants”. And I asked for a cite, to show exactly when you have perceived her doing this.
So far your cites are as follows:
- The current dustup.
Well, okay.
That’s one.
That’s it?
So, when you were saying, “We already know that she will do this”, you were referring to only a single instance?
In six years?
I see.
I was expecting you to have a list of TubaDiva’s many egregious violations tattooed on your forearm, and you’d just have to Copy and Paste it.
Oh, well.
Ahh, you mean the style of argument based on “logic” and “avoidance of pointless ad hominems” and “pleas for understanding”. Yes, I can see where that would make you nervous.
Well, since this her second major fuck-up regarding privacy issues (the second worse than the first) within a short period of time, maybe another wrist slap?