Getting into parody territory there, could say but I know it’s not because of your general pattern of posting, then again I don’t know if your whole thing isn’t a parody.
No reasonable traditionalist or non-super PC man (if that’s what ‘the patriarchy’ is, I don’t actually know what that’s it’s supposed to mean) has a problem with a woman physically defending herself against groping if it’s not going to get her beaten up or even killed. But it often does, because men are usually bigger and stronger than women, and men who sexually assault women are likely to be ready and willing to beat or even kill them, might even be looking for an excuse to.
In a public place it’s a reasonable risk to take and good for her it worked out. In other settings it could be very unwise. That’s reality, not ‘patriarchy’.
Saying that a woman is more likely to be groped when scantily clad doesn’t mean that it’s not the attacker’s fault. This kind of PC discourse in the name of “not blaming the victim” has reached idiotic levels now that it has become an article of faith (and I think the word “faith” is very appropriate) that any woman, in any circumstance, has exactly the same risk of being assaulted.
I do not doubt that there has been old unatractive ladies conservatively dressed in an office setting who have been groped. But stating that they have exactly the same risk of being gropped as a young attractive girl scantily clad in a bar is plainly idiotic. That’s where the PC discourse loses touch with reality in order to stick to the ideologically correct line.
Saying “she’s more likely to be gropped when scantily dressed in a bar” isn’t the same thing as saying “it’s her fault”. Both sentences don’t even have a word in common. But somehow, we have all these posters who manage to read both as meaning the same and try to shame and silence people using the first sentence by pretending that they have in fact written the second.
You can’t possibly be saying she should’ve been wearing a nun’s habit to protect herself, right?
If that’s not what you’re saying, then your point is…what?
And why just stop at her clothes? Why not exclaim that just her being there, working in a restaurant patronized by men, played a part in this too? I mean, that is a more obvious association than the outfit she was wearing.
Oh, dear good Lord, what have I done. Luckily my wise friends at the Dope have helped me to see the light. You are going to be so proud of me.
My teenage daughter told me she wanted to go to the nude raves at the Rapist Union inc. The old me would have pre-blamed her by saying "That might not be a good idea, there are bad things out there. " But now I just said “Go ahead, it’s all within your rights”.
You should have seen how happy she was when she left, not a care in the world. If she comes back I must introduce her to the Dope so she know who to thank for.
From now on I will never ever warn anybody because that would make me a bad person, just as bad as a rapist. And after all when the perp is caught the victim magically heals from every mental or bodily harm that she might have suffered.
It seems like you can warn people, but if they don’t heed your warnings, and something bad happens to them, you are not allowed to blame them for not heeding your warnings.
I was groped exactly like that when I was a pimply faced, flat as a board teenager, and I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt.
In contrast, I’ve never been groped like that while wearing a bikini. Even while drunk and surrounded by drunks, when my body was at peak attractiveness, I was not once groped like that even at my most scantily dressed. Funny that.
I have no idea what makes SaneBill an expert on the triggers for gropey men, but I suspect his qualifications may be trumped by women’s first-hand experiences.
Sigh. Idiocy goes on up there. I really hope this clears up something for you morons.
So…
Have I ever groped anybody against their will ?
No, I have not.
Have I ever been groped ?
Yes, I have been groped.
Is there something* I could have done to prevent it from happening to me ? ( * Living in a cellar or wearing a full-body armour and like are NOT options on this question. )
Maybe. If only I had known it can happen to guys by old guys. For some reason nobody told me about that possibility.
Was it my fault ?
Hell, no. Not in the slightest. It was 100 % his fault.
Do I HAVE TO do something to prevent it from happening to me or others ?
No. I just WANT to do something to prevent it from happening to me or others - and apparently that’s more than some of you are willing to do or willing to let other to do. And I find that attitude just as disgusting as the thing the guy in the OP did.
Why are you so adamant that wearing something different would have led to her not being groped? That’s the million dollar question. I can easily imagine the same scene playing out if she were wearing jeans and a T-shirt. Why does it not for you?
I never said that’s THE REASON and THE ONLY REASON and it could have not happened otherwise. I WASN’T WEARING BIKINIS WHEN IT HAPPENED TO ME, YOU IDIOT !
Now don’t ask me anything more, just let me leave before I have a stroke !
You clearly think the sight of her bare belly and legs provoked him to grope. Even though, interestingly enough, her belly and legs were not what he groped. He actually groped the one part of her that was most accessible to his hand, and that would’ve been just accessible if she were wearing pants and long sleeves.