Engagement Ring Info Needed

Well, while your pal JJ is still single (barely), he can’t help but think that one day in the near future, he may have to purchase an engagement ring. He also realizes that he has absolutely no knowledge about what is involved in choosing a ring. He doesn’t know a thing about diamonds, and he has no idea about the cost. Is is supposed to cost 2 months salary or 3 months? Is that net salary or gross? Either way it seems kind of high. Is it appropriate to put the ring on a credit card? If not, his beloved may have to wait a while, since JJ hasn’t really saved up anything.

JJ would ask his friends and family these questions, but then have to suffer the consequences if the engagement doesn’t materialize.

So any information would be greatly appreciated.

(Also, your pal JJ can’t figure out why he’s recently been addressing himself in the 3rd person, but that’s a discussion for another day)

The two-months salary figure is purely and invention of the jewelry industry.

You just need to assess your priorities. Is it really worth delaying your proposal for a piece of rock and metal?

A lot of people skip the diamond altogether and go for something more original. We decided to use my grandmother’s rings, which had been left to me, so, technically my fiance didn’t buy me a ring at all.

It depends on the woman, obviously. When I got engaged I was making about $1500 a month. My wife said that I was unequivocally NOT to buy her a $3000 ring. I don’t remember how much the ring cost. Her reasoning was that, even if I had two months salary lying around (which I didn’t - I tend to spend my salary on stuff like food and rent) it would be put to better use elsewhere than hanging out on her finger.

On the other hand, I have a friend whose fiancee DID want a nice engagement ring. Her reasoning was this: she didn’t care if she never got another nice piece of jewelry in her life, but this was important to her and she wanted at least it to be something special. I dunno how much he spent.

Both of those are, I think, valid points. A valid point is not, IMO, “If you love me you’ll drop a wad of cash on me.”

But yeah, don’t be held slave to that two months salary BS. You can get a really nice ring for not too much. A couple of tips:

  • Don’t buy a ring, buy a diamond and have them set it. You get more control over the final product.

  • When selecting a diamond, the jeweler will let you view it through a loop. Get a book from the library so you know what you’re looking at.

  • Don’t buy from a mall jeweler. Like mall record stores, you’re paying far too much.

  • Remember that diamonds are NOT rare. Don’t let the guy convince you that you’re buying moon rock or dinosaur skin, and don’t be afraid to shop around.

Here’s a little guidance:

http://weddings.about.com/library/weekly/aa121099a.htm?once=true&

DeBeers also has a website - they handle about 2/3 of the world’s diamond gemstones.

http://www.adiamondisforever.com

They have a Design Your Own Ring function on the site, along with a gallery of photos of different types of rings. They do ask you to take an annoying little survey before you start, though. Even so, it’s a good way to get an idea of what your girlfriend’s preferences might be, and you can do this at home without any pesky salesmen hanging around.

Don’t go buy a ring and surprise her with it, unless you are very sure of her taste and she really likes surprises. You don’t want to drop a lot of money on something she may not really like.

My own experiences in this area being in the not-too-distant past, I’ll try to answer some of your questions.

First of all, there are four major criteria in judging the stone itself: shape, size, color, and clarity(these are probably not the official terms). Size is pretty self-explanatory, but remember that bigger isn’t always better. How big is your intended? My wife is 5’0" and very petite, and so a two carat ring would look absurd on her hand.

Shape may not matter to your (potential) future wife, but then again, it may. There are a lot of possible shapes; I’ve seen funky rings where the stone is cut into a triangle. If you want to stay fairly traditional, though, you’ll be choosing from a few basics: round, square, pear-shaped, or marquis (shaped like the diamonds on playing cards, pretty much).

Now with size and shape, there’s no definite agreement on what’s ideal; you pretty much go by your own taste. Color and clarity are different matters. Color ranges from perfectly clear to a little cloudy to sickly yellow - the clearer the better, because clearer diamonds sparkle more in the light. There’s a letter system for judging color, which is usually posted in jewelry stores; learn it, understand it, live it. Most of the women I’ve talked to think the color of the stone is the most important thing.

Clarity basically seems to refer to the number of flaws - ie, tiny cracks in the interior of the stone. Lower quality diamonds have visible flaws; avoid these. Some diamonds have flaws that are visible only with the aid of a magnifying glass - in some cases, these are the way to go because you don’t have to mortgage a kidney to get them but the stone still looks as pretty as a flawless. If your honey is really set on perfection, though, you’ll want to get a flawless or nearly flawless stone.

Visit http://www.diamondreview.com for more.

Again, don’t make the mistake of buying a huge stone without inquiring into the color and clarity. A yellowish, obviously flawed stone, no matter how large, just looks cheap. Assuming your intended falls somewhere in the middle 80% of the population size-wise, there’s no reason a 1 carat stone shouldn’t be perfectly acceptable, if it’s crystal clear and without flaws.

Next up - do you want a simple ring-and-stone arrangement (called solitaire)? Or do you want other frilly diamonds or assorted other stones all over the place. It can never hurt to ask your beloved’s friends and relatives what she likes, or to pay attention to the hints that she’s no doubt been dropping you. Do you want to buy wedding rings that go with the engagement ring; in those cases, the engagement ring kind of snaps into the wedding ring, making a neat little package?

I know, lots of questions. Simple way to handle this: set a budget, a maximum, “I will not spend more than this amount,” and go into a jeweler. Inform the person who helps you that you have a maximum, and state a figure that is about 80-85% of your actual maximum. This will get them to take rings that are way out of your price range and drop them into your real price range, in an attempt to tempt you out of your real price range.

And credit cards are acceptable. Happy hunting!

  • Frank

The idea that you have to have the ring in hand when you propose is also purely an invention of the jewelry industry. Do both of yourselves a favor and let her pick it out herself after she says yes.

Women who believe their fiance should spend two months’ salary on the ring are not the sort of women you want to marry, IMO.

I can clearly remember when television commercials said it was ONE month’s salary. Not two.

Anyway;

  1. I would suggest you spend your money on quality, not size. A 1 carat stone with poor quality and colour looks like crap; a .5 carat stone of high quality and clarity looks fabulous.

  2. NEGOTIATE. God, don’t pay the tag price. Never.

  3. Make sure you know your honey’s taste. It’s been said before but cannot be stressed enough.

As a chica who just went with her man to buy an engagement ring, I can help in some areas.

First, go to this website and click on the link labeled 4Cs Diamond Guide. It’ll tell you all about color, clarity, cut, and carat. Knowledge is good. Know what is good.

If your beloved is anything like me, I don’t like inclusions that are visible with the naked eye. I also prefer a stone that is nearly colorless (J or better). So I would say that you should decide on those two criterion before determining the size.

Also, pay attention to the cut. If a cutter can make 10 diamonds or 7 diamonds out of one stone, they’re going to make more money off of 10. Therefore they’ll cut the diamonds shallower to get 10 instead of 7. These shallow diamonds don’t have the correct proportions, and therefore won’t sparkle as much.

On price: Scott set a budget, I stayed within his budget. As long as it’s reasonable, I liked this idea. You know what you can afford.

FTR, my new ring is a marquise, .23 carat, H color, SI1. And almost perfectly cut. Much better than the 1 carat I2 they had available. Icky.

Oh, if you do surprise her with a ring, make sure your store has a “she didn’t like the ring, but she does like me” policy where you can bring it back and get something else she likes.

I hear that taking a ring of hers is a good way to get a surprise ring sized.

Did you ever consider an estate (used or antique) ring?

Used rings (returned for whatever reason; I love the idea that the ring might have a “story” attached to it) may be a little cheaper to buy, so that’s a good thing. Antique rings, while maybe not as cheap, are usually always high quality stones in interesting settings. Or if you have family jewelry you can choose from to give her, that’s even cooler!

I’m not a fan of diamonds myself - my engagement ring was an opal and we didn’t buy it till right before we married. I don’t think I’d have gone all mushy if presented with a diamond - in fact, the only one I own is one I inherited from my grandmother - I’ve worn it twice…

Anyway, my point is: it doesn’t have to be fancy or expensive or a diamond or a surprise. It has to be special, whatever that means to the couple.

Speaking personally - Mine’s silver and cubic zirconia. I like the way diamonds look, but they’re too expensive for my tastes. I’m pleased as punch with my incredibly cheap engagement ring, because all it is to me is a symbol of our relationship. I don’t care how much it costs, I care that Gun cared to give it to me. :shrug:

That said, everyone else has very good advice. Do some research before you buy and go in totally prepared; don’t let the dealer talk you into anything. And yes, stay away from mall jewelry stores. Learned that while helping my dad buy my mom a diamond ring for their 25th anniversary this year!

Here’s another vote for a non-diamond engagement ring.

The thing about diamonds is that in order to catch the light as they should, they have to be set so that they rise waaay up above the level of the finger. That’s something that would drive me bonkers.

I didn’t have a particular ring/stone in mind when we went looking, then I saw one that I just loved. To my husband’s delight, it cost less than $300.

Now that I have the wedding ring, I find that I don’t wear the engagement ring very often. I use my hands too much; it seems to always get caught on something or other.

My opinion may be unpopular but here goes:

If she cares a lot about the ring, then she is not someone with whom your friend should want to build a life. Engagement rings are a great sales techique for the jewelry industry. To me, they seem about as romantic as putting the ring in the nose of a bull–“this one’s mine!” Or some women say that it “proves” their committment. Naah. My husband proved his committment when he asked me to marry him. If you need a rock to convince yourself that he is serious about marrying you, then maybe you shouldn’t be getting married.

But if you want a ring, then I agree that it needn’t be a diamond solitaire. My friend had a lovely antique citrine. Inherited, antique, or just meaningful rings are way more impressive than a plain diamond, IMHO. Another friend had a gorgeous sapphire which was much more beautiful than a plain ol’ diamond.

That said, if your friends are set on a diamond solitaire, a good source may be the local Costco. IIRC, they have a lot of diamonds of good quality that are just under a standard carat weight–.96 of a carat instead of 1 carat for example. Most customers really want the “full” carat, so the slightly smaller ones go for a good price.

first does she like diamonds, not eveyone does. is she does…

go to arkansas, crater of diamonds. dig up a diamond.

also you could go with stones that spell out words of affection. go to “arty stores” there are many unique rings. or perhaps a ring with the birthstones of you and your beloved in it?

My first engagement ring was a pearl. Marriage didn’t last, I still have the ring. Its an antique, and quite nice, although pearls aren’t great for everyday wear.

My second wedding we bought a band. It served as both an engagement ring and a wedding ring. Its like an anniversary band - about a caret total weight, but small diamonds, so it wasn’t very expensive.

I’d rather have a downpayment on a house. My grandmother got a TV when she got engaged in the early 1950s. My mother got no engagement ring at all, my dad being a poor college student at the time with a baby on the way, but she did get one honker of a diamond on their 25th anniversary.

Talk to your girlfriend - or if you want to pop the question as a surprise (bad idea by the way, you should have seen the poor guys I’ve said no to) - talk to her mom, sister or friends and find out what her expectations are.

The other advice here is good - especially don’t buy from a mall store - buy from an independant jeweler - or used - pawnshops can have really good prices on jewelery - although you won’t really know what you are getting except it looks nice (a good pawnshop should be able to provide an independant appraisal).

Follow your instincts. Listen to what your mate needs and hopes for. Find a way to speak to both of those voices.

And if you decide to buy her a diamond ring, don’t forget to bring the KY.

Seriously, if you are about to pledge your love to this woman, who cares what anyone else thinks - ask her what she thinks. Do everything in your power to please her. What else do you have to do?

You love her, right? Put a smile on her face and keep it there for as long as you can.

Just my opinion, though.

Does she like silver or yellow gold? My wife hates yellow gold so it was white gold/platinum only here. Does she like round/marquis/princess cut stones, etc? It’s not what you think she looks good wearing. What does SHE like? I noticed after a while what my wife liked and wound up having her engagement ring custom made. Princess cut 1/3 carat with a baguette on each side in an antique style setting. Surprises are nice, but work both ways. Women aren’t stupid either. If you think you want to marry her, odds are, she knows it. Start shopping and pick her brain (she’ll let you at this point). Don’t follow the rule of the retailers. Cost is not a factor. As others have mentioned, if it is, run away… very fast. Get her what she likes and what you can afford. If she loves you, she loves you and will accept whatever you get her. And congratulations in advance as well as my best wishes for you:)

My fiance’s not really confident when it comes to jewelery in the first place, and I’m fussy in the second place, so he didn’t get me a ring when he proposed. We were supposed to go shopping for one after the engagement, but we decided to buy a house instead. I’ve now been engaged for 20 months, but still don’t have a ring. However, it’s not a high priority for us.

I live in a small town and I dislike gold - I prefer silver, or white gold. None of the local jewelry stores carry white gold engagement rings, so one day we’ll have to get off our butts and go to the city to get something I like. In the meantime, I’m happy in my engagment house :slight_smile:

I just wanted to add to the “Cost shouldn’t matter” group. I personally, know exactly what I want my engagement ring to look like…even if it is a long while before I get married…I saw it in a jewlery store. It was beautiful, Black Hills gold with a tiny diamond. It costs about 120$ I just want to say that anything to expensive would scare me. I would be terrified that I would break (as I am know to do) it, or loose the stone, or something. Better to play it cheap where I am concerned. Luckily, I am not picky and I don’t like the solitare on gold band look anyway.

The four Cs: carat, color, cut and clarity.

Ditto on the holding off on the diamond. My law teacher (a wise woman, if a near-total flake) has told us in several classes how when she was married, she had a plain band because she was still in law school and her husband was just getting started with his career. As they were able to afford stones, they bought them and had them added to the ring. She also suggests buying CZ and later replacing the stone if you want.