Yeah, so do I and I hope to God that you’re halfway around the world from me, since I pretty much live my life with abandon. Heaven forbid. And at least you answers one question in reality, you really are that stupid. Good to know. Just another old fart who is really an MRA wannabe. Go join your friends and pass the tube around. I’m sure it’ll make your delicate sensibilities feel better. Just not actual women.
Depending on exactly how it’s all gone down, and each party’s attitude, you don’t necessarily have to put your clothes on or leave, either…
Sorry, just got to leave one last shot.
Rape statistics were cited that claim 97% or more of men accused of rape never go to prison…
If proving rape is so easy, “I said to stop, but he wouldn’t” being all that is needed to condemn a man to prison…then why isn’t the number 3% instead of 97%.??? The reason is that, contrary to what you want the standard to be, the legal system is not convinced that contentions without proof warrant prison time.
the 97% number sort of makes my argument for me. do I think convictions should be higher? Sure, absolutely, but is it surprising that they aren’t? Nope absolutely not. the ‘crime’ takes place in private; boys and girls and men and women spend more time privately together these days than ever before (Iknow…cite, cite cite…you know it is true) and women are more willing to engage in many forms of sex play, certainly a lot more willing that when I was in college, even. I dated a lot, got to second base many a time, but only with my future wife did I ever, after our engagement, go any further.
Why did things change? Why are young people so much more likely to be engaging in diverse forms of sex play today than in my time? The answer is simple – the pill. I can hear you sniggling, you know… but it is true. The amount and variety of sex play has increased BECAUSE WOMEN WANTED IT TO. they like sex. Men like women who like sex. They call them, ask them out, approach them in social situations…etc. That hasn’t changed.
And the judge…listening to the testimony…'well, we were in bed and naked and he was giving me head, and I was blowing him…and I started to moan, I guess, but when he tried to mount me, I said ‘no’ ‘don’t’. …and the judge just shakes his head, sadly…how can he blame the man, throw him in jail, ruin his life, etc. for something that, in actual fact, was more the normal state of affairs than abstinence?
I think the judge, more often than not, thinks to him or herself, “what did she expect would happen?” and issues a warning to the man not to contact the woman in future for any reason and to stay out of trouble. that is way the number is 97%, not 50% or 3 %. You may have changed, but society hasn’t, yet.
Who says contentions without proof are enough to convict?
This sounds an awful lot like rose-colored glasses when looking back. You’ll have to cite if you think that women today are “more willing to engage in many forms of sex play”.
How about a cite… but even if it’s true, so what? If women want sex sometimes, how is that wrong? If they don’t want sex, but want some other sort of intimacy, how is that wrong?
Whether or not rape was at some point “more the normal state of affairs” doesn’t mean it’s not rape. Men have the power to stop and back off – the ones who don’t when someone says “no” are rapists. Judges who excuse them are rape-enablers.
If this is what a judge thinks, then the judge is wrong – it’s reasonable for women to expect that men will obey their wishes when it comes to their own bodies.
What your describing condemns society. You are describing rape culture, and defending rape culture. You are defending and excusing rape.
That too. (I didn’t actually leave right away, stayed for another hour or so).
Some women need to decide if their vagina is a casual sex toy or if it’s some sort of Arc of the Covenant, to be guarded and secreted away and fought over by all of humanity because it’s so gosh darned important.
Enough from the defenders of rapists already
There seems to be enough people who would jump to defend Cosby without any sane reason to, as this local letter-of-comment shows.
*Scientists agree that laughter extends one’s life. So I owe Bill Cosby, the comedian, for every time I have laughed at one of his routines or TV shows. His private life is none of my business.
The recent social media uproar took his private life to the public, and no way could we avoid it, as it hit other media.
We who have laughed–and laughed–owe Bill Cosby unconditional support. Those who hope to silence him as a comedian would steal his very life–and some of ours.
We need to go on laughing.*
Well, something certainly is funny here, but I don’t mean in the laughing sense.
“Unconditional” support? Seriously? That reminds me of placards proclaiming loyalty to O.J. Simpson even if not falsely accused.
“Private” life? Well, sure, it’s his life, but this part of it should only remain private where women were capable of consent and did in fact consent. IF he did nothing wrong (unlikely, IMO) THEN it’s regrettable that a glaring spotlight is now on him.
(With so many crazy letters to the home-town rag, I’m beginning to think that there is something in the local drinking water, as clean as it seems to be!)
Several points:
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As the definition of rape has expanded, the morality of actions that it has come to cover has not changed. Instead, the term rape has covered actions that span a broader range of morality. Meaning that while most or all of the actions being discussed and debated here are wrong, that doesn’t mean that a guy who fails to take “no” while mid-way through etc. (for example) is the same as someone who grabs a woman off the street and rapes her at knifepoint, even if both are covered by the term “rape”.
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The trauma of rape is partially sociological and derived in part from society’s attitudes about sex and bodily autonomy. The implication of which that a victim of rape is even more victimized if she’s been told by society to regard what happened to her as a horrible violation of her person and honor and so on, versus if society treats it as a more minor sin. In this sense, efforts to raise awareness of rape - while admirable on the whole - also have the perverse effect of heightening the impact on the victims. And what’s relevant here is that as society becomes less tolerant of certain types of rape and sexual assault, women who suffered these at a more tolerant time will find themselves feeling more victimized in reliving the experience now than they did at the time. (This accounts to some extent for the women coming forth with stories now who maintained relationships with Cosby after the actual incidents.)
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Many people fail - and are failing here - to distinguish between “in such-and-such situation the woman bears some responsibility for the outcome” and “in such-and-such situation the woman bears all responsibility for the outcome”.
I don’t think this is it – we’re saying (or I’m saying) no woman bears any responsibility – not even a little bit – for her own rape.
See, for a typical example, the second response in post #294. It’s unresponsive to the quoted post other than in the context of this false dichotomy.
The Second Stone, you are venal scum.
It just goes to highlight what depths apologist scum devolve to. I swear, there are some men so vile on the Dope that it’s astonishing. When I believe they’ve sunk as low as (sub) humanely possible, I’m proven wrong every time. Kind of like festering pustules who believe that if women hadn’t been conditioned to see rape so terribly negative, why, it probably wouldn’t be such a big deal at all. Why, highly intellectual minds can politely cough behind our monocles and agree about their overly impressionable pretty little selves, right?
Or at least, that’s a newer one. When we’re not being called whores full of abandon.
From you that is a badge of honor.
I’m not surprised that a post like that would have gone over your head.
But then, it wasn’t aimed at you.
If a woman decides their vagina is a casual sex toy they still get to decide who does and who does not get to “play” with it, right?
CMC fnord!
What a disgusting way to view another human being.
“Vaginas” are body parts. They are attached to people. Those people have no particular obligation to identify clearly as a virgin or a whore. Most people are just people, and most people enjoy sex with some people and not other people, as my buddy Super Gay Top Guy can gladly demonstrate applies to you as well. Vaginas are not some kind of thing with only two settings- “No admittance” and “All welcome.”
Not wanting to be raped doesn’t mean you are treating your “vagina” like the "Arc of the Covenent.
- It wasn’t the bad kind of rape.
- The real issue isn’t rape, it’s the psychological trauma caused by reporting rape!
- Come on, can’t we agree she’s at least a little bit responsible for having a dick stuck in her while she was unconscious?
Lol. I’m not the one apologizing for rapists, so I’ll keep the low ground while you ride on your tainted high horse, prick.
It’s pointless, sven. They’re idiots, total slaves to their dicks. Let them have their ridiculous fantasies that all women are at fault for their vile behavior. I’m sure that’s all they’ve got. Or ever will have.
Super Gay Top Guy?