And while, assuming that what happened was rape, doing nothing is injustice
It is just as much an injustice for Cosby to be punished if it wasn’t rape.
The scales of justice as supposed to fall on the side of the accused - have the accusers provided enough evidence to overcome this?
In many of the instances - the accusers don’t even know if sex was had.
I want to see rapists punished.
I also want women to have the confidence to go to police immediately whenever something questionable happens - even if it was not rape, I still want them to go and have it investigated.
We have all seen miscarriages of justice - some of the most egregarious in recent memory being the Duke Lacrosse team and the UVA accusation - one factor contributing to both of these was the attitude of “the accuser deserves justice” or “we must take accusations seriously” - and of course we must,
Every accusation must be vigorously investigated.
But how to investigate something that happened 30 years ago?
Is it fair to strip people of honors for unproven allegations? Is that “natural justice”?
It is a bad situation. What we have is honestly the best we are going to get- people are free to speak their mind publicly, and everyone is free to make up their minds about how credible they find the claims.
Correlation (probability and statistics) are not causation. We are talking about the rapist Bill Cosby’s 25 or more accusers each in a specific situation. Probability and statistics have nothing to do with the causation of a specific event. It is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy that cannot even by coincidence be correct as the discussion is not an argument from generalization of the experience to a result or series of results.
Rapes are not caused by statistics or probability. They are caused by rapists. Rapists may inadvertently choose victims in a manner that can have some light shed on it by statistics and probability, but no rape victim is the victim of math. They are victims of rapists.
It’s one thing to say “Hey, there are a lot of people accusing the man and, from those accusations, I think it’s more than likely that he’s done that”. And it’s a completely different thing to make the bald statement you did.
The edit timed out on me. Here’s what I tried to edit in to post #744. It’s directed, of course, to The Second Stone.
Of course, being the jerk you’ve proven yourself to be, you’re going to try to paint this as my “defending rapists” when, in fact, I’m doing the decent thing and defending the idea of not condemning someone solely based on accusations. But, hey, who needs facts when you’ve got your rant on.
The latter could reasonably be read as a concise statement of the former. I’m sure you have characterized other people with single-word descriptors that were similarly summations of your interpretation of evidence to their nature.
Fact is, Bill Cosby is a rapist. It has yet to be proven in court, but he is clearly a fucking creepy damned rapist. And you are his ever so slavish defender. You spend your whole day in awe of Bill Cosby and his celebrity raping and ruffying power. You are clearly severely jealous of his raping and drugging power and are busy parsing fine points of rhetoric. You aren’t Saruman, you’re Wormtongue.
I don’t give a damn about being fair to Cosby or the friggin’ benefit of the doubt. There is no doubt in my mind. About you being Cosby’s ass sniffer.
Lots of people say this person is a witch, so they must be a witch. Burn the witch! Burn her, I say! Also, anyone who speaks out for the witch must love Satan themselves. Burn them too!
I’m not a big fan of The Second Stone, find him to be quite stupid and extremely trite, but if you seriously think that he’s so dumb that he thinks any of the women on this site are going to want to jump his bones then that says vastly more about you and your attitude towards women than it does about him and his attitude towards women.
What this post shows is that you clearly have some serious issues; issues with reality, sensibility, and just plain decency. Oh, yes; and you also have issues with definitions of words, such as fact.
Wait, what? Witches don’t exist? Darn, my entire argument just collapsed.
Except, back when people were burning witches (not really, but executing them by other means), they were in no doubt that there really were such things, and their attitude towards establishing facts was about as rigorous as that being expressed in some quarters in this thread: Pile up enough allegations, however patently ridiculous any one of them on its own merits, and you’ve got yourself all the evidence you need - and what’s more, anyone who speaks out for the accused is himself clearly just as evil on his own account and needs to be next in the queue for persecution.
I am not an “expatriot”. I am a patriot, one who loves my country, and served 20 years in its armed forces. I am an expatriate, one who works in another country than the one in which he holds citizenship. Being an expatriate does not negate my patriotism.
I live in a second-floor apartment. Nobody’s mother lives here with me.
I do not pretend to teach English. I actually do teach English at an international high school.
Nice of you to insinuate that I’m a pedophile, you jackass. I don’t “indulge in fantasies about my charges”.
Buggered if I know. Up to now I think I’ve only been speaking out against bad arguments. Such as, for instance, one that boils down to “I know you know I’m right really. Let’s see if my hypothetical can make you admit it.”
You don’t know if you think he did it? Maybe try some meditation or something so that you can become more in touch with your own inner life?
My point is that it’s pretty stupid to be arguing that this is just like a witch hunt, and yet not be willing to take that argument to the logical conclusion (which would be that Cosby, like the accused witches, is innocent.)
Everyone wants to talk about theoretical accused rapists. Nobody wants to talk about the guy actually accused of rape. Seems fishy to me, doesn’t it?
Well, my apologies on not spelling the word expatriate correctly. I did mean expatriate, not expatriot.
Clearly you live in an apartment building with somebody’s mother, and I suspect you fuck somebody’s mother. Making you a motherfucker.
So, you think you teach English, rather than pretend to teach English? Do you have a teaching certificate? A degree in English? Or are you just one of those complete failures in life who sucked at the teat of the US armed services (ashamed of the branch, must be Airforce, the long-haired air-conditioned service (apologies to the USAF, I’m yanking this dude’s chain here, he has it coming)) until you got full retirement after twenty years so you could spend the rest of your life sucking at the teat of the US government who then went to China to babble in English at students all day? (That isn’t teaching, asshole.) And congrats if you’ve picked up some Mandarin during your time there.
Now you claim that you don’t fantasize about your high school students. That’s not pedophilia, that is Ephebophilia. If you actually had a degree in English and taught it, you’d know that.
As for never having any fantasies about your high school students, if you want me to believe that, I’ll accept it, the evidence isn’t overwhelming the other way. You have no fantasies about eligible young teenage girls and boys passing you in the halls and no appreciation for their youth and beauty.
Whitehead and Russell spent three volumes trying to make a detailed proof that 1+1=2 without assuming anything. They concluded that they could not do it. Basic assumptions have to be made to get to any system of thought and/or logic. There are over 25 women who have accused Bill Cosby of rape or sexual assault. It might be that one or two of them are mistaken or not telling the truth, that can happen. But when 25 women tell the same drugs and rape story, and the rapist has paid some of them off and won’t talk about the rest, it amounts to psychosis to insist that the factual experiences of each and every one of these women who have come forward (and it probably isn’t all of them yet and never will be) did not in fact get ruffies and then raped by Bill Cosby. It sure as hell is a “fact” for them. For you to suggest that it isn’t “fact” that Bill Cosby did these things is to ignore facts, and the definition of fact.
I’m relying on the reports of these women to declare, as a fact, that Bill Cosby is a sick raping fuck who drugs women and then rapes them.
To go all Godwin, nobody ever convicted Adolf Hitler or Joseph Mengele of the Holocaust, but they were guilty of it, responsible for their part in it and unconvicted in it, as a matter of fact.
I am not suggesting that Bill Cosby’s actions are as bad as the Holocaust. Rather I am stating that both are facts.
I think levdrakon’s attitude toward women doesn’t really need much more illumination. But I don’t see how having an opinion about TSS’s intelligence says anything about women at all.
TSS appears to despise rational argument. Levdrakon appears to despise women AND rational argument.
If you weren’t frothing at the mouth so much, you might not make such mistakes.
Incorrect.
Actually, I know I teach English.
Nope. And, as it happens, that is not required in this country to actually teach English. What is required is a baccalaureate and ability as proven by experience. I had experience teaching before I came here.
Linguistics. Turns out to be related to the field.
Served in three components and I’m not ashamed of any of them. I’ve posted before what they are: Regular Army, drilling Army Reserves, and Regular Navy. None of that was “sucking at the teat”. None of that is “complete failure in life”. Also, my job does not consist of “babbling in English”.
Ever heard of common usage? Pragmatics? If you had a functioning brain, you’d understand what I’m driving at here.
I’m not blind so I can tell if someone is attractive or not. That doesn’t cause me to lust after them. Also, none of them is eligible for a liaison, not that I would engage in such if they were so eligible.
Oh, did I say you’re not a lawyer? Well, you might be. The evidence thus far in this thread and the related one in IMHO shows you’re not a good one.
You’re melting down here. Want to know what fantasy I indulge in? Here it is: a moderator or admin posts a thread in ATMB announcing your banning. You’re headed that way rapidly with your disgusting insinuations and accusations against other posters, insinuations and accusations you’re making for the simple reason that said posters are not jumping on your bandwagon. Even though this might derail my fantasy, here’s a piece of advice for you: read–and try to understand–Your Great Darsh Face’s post just above.
Nah, don’t do that. My fantasy is nice. I hope it turns real.