Enterprise: Zero Hour spoilers.

Good point. The thought had crossed my mind. I know starfleet is rather ship poor at this time, but you’d think they send something out as a last ditch measure, if for no other reason then to perform kamikaize runs on the weapon in a vain hope of taking it out).

And wasn’t there supposed to be some form of Space dock out there?

Maybe starfleet has the “Starship troopers” from of homeworld defense(AKA nothing at all)?

Also why didn’t they bother hailing Earth from Degra’s ship? IT WAS RIGHT THERE!

V

God damn it, I napped through this episode. Fuck, fuck, fuck.

Viva… you there? Please tell me you taped this. Even as horrible as the ending sounds, I really want to see it.

You know, these time travel plotlines are really getting out of hand. Somebody should travel through time to the point in history when time-travel is first developed, and prevent its discovery.

But then there’d be no time travel to use to go back and stop time travel from being invented and so it would be invented, but then there’d be time travel again, so you could. But then there’d be no time travel to use to go back and stop time travel from being invented and so it would be invented again. Then it’d be possible to time travel again, but not if you complete your mission!

And what if sneezed and it killed a butterfly? Or you meet yourself? Or woo your mom? Huh? What then? WHAT THEN?

Then Ashton Kutcher shows up and asks, “Dude, where’s my TIME MACHINE?”

SWEET!

NIFSTD Contest

These last three eps made a good wild story ride. The last five minutes was probably a throw away that they weren’t sure was going to be included. If UPN hadn’t renewed the show, I suspect an Andorian rescue of Quantum along with some Daniels speech would’ve been inserted.

Now, tho, they’ll have to quickly resolve this mini arc and get to some less (or maybe more) cliched Trek TV.

Has anyone ever found out if Trek Time Travel Episodes™ are actually popular with the general viewing public? I have a vision of Bergama and a bunch of suits sitting around and pulling up viewer numbers from TNG, DS9, VOY, even TOS eps which featured Time Travel and seeing a spike in viewership. It’s the only explanation I can contemplate logically. Because these guys have proven they’re not stupid.

OK, go about 40 minutes into the tape. You see Archer getting 2 explosive charges from Reed along with the detonator. He used both of these charges to blow up that rotating piece of the reactor. Where did the 3rd explosive come from that he used to blow up the Reptilian? Just a pocket filler he happened to be carrying along?

Anyway, they were doing fine until that rather messy ending! WTF?

Something did seem wrong from when the bomb first entered Earth space. As had been mentioned previously, one would have expected a lot of traffic flying around and at least some sort of greeting party. It doesn’t make sense unless they were already back in time. Maybe the bomb warped space or something and when it exited the vortex, messed up the space-time continuum?

But remember the visit Archer had from the future guy telling him Archer was critically important to the future? When Archer wound up alive in what looks like Nazi Germany, I figured that when the bomb blew up, the future guy sent him into the past to save him from dying and negatively changing the future. I’m not sure this makes any sense though.

I always thought anything future people did to change the past, changed the future. But those spear people seemed to be messing with time lines fairly regularly.

This whole time travel thing is a lousy construct to rely on. It’s the easy way for the writers to escape any situation, similar to the Before Time Travel shows like Dallas where the the lead character turns out to have been dreaming.

Well, at least it was a cliff-hanger ending, unlike this season’s 24!

I have avoided much of Enterprise this season so I’m sure there are many little changes that can be explained away like T’pol’s odd behaviour. But the episode was really good until the time shift crap.

You know a show is in trouble when it must bring out the Nazis and time travel in the same episode.

My therory. It is the 1940s. Perhaps the expanse on existed in Enterprises time due to the deathstars and once they were destroyed and teh anomallies faded the entire expanse reverted back to its proper timeline (1944-1945) same with the super fun happy funball. So Archer somehow was beamed out to Earth (Europe) and Voyager when dumped off in the same time.

Its all crap anyway. Still hating this show, still begining to think of it like Star Trek V not cannon, never happened, all a bad dream.

The closing scene proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that, for Berman and Braga, “shame” is a mysterious trait other people have that can occasionally be used to provide an excuse for why characters act in a certain convenient way.

I had to go out last night after watching, so I didn’t get to be one of the first people saying “WTF?”
That is not going to prevent me from doing it now.

WTF???

Great episode, right up to the last five minutes. I knew Archer would mysteriously escape, but the Nazi twist came as a bit of a shock. In that it’s the stupidest possible thing they could have done.
No, wait. The stupidest possible thing would be if Archer was mysteriously turned into a sentient penguin, and the whole next season revolves around him trying to save the polar ice caps in Earth’s future, ably assisted by Daniels. Sardine jokes abound.

Promise you won’t write Berman about that.

Promise.

I promise. :smiley:

Thanks.

Just think how his mind would work.

Penguin Archer.
Time traveling penguins.
Nazi time traveling penguins
Frozen Nazi time traveling penguins.
Zombie frozen nazi tme traveling penguins.

Western Civilization would ease to exist.

Now, I don’t promise not to mail roadkill to his house. Please don’t ask me that.
I couldn’t comply.

What is this, Voyager?

I think mailing a dead penguin to Berman would amount to suggesting the above zombie frozen nazi penguin time travel Enterprise story arc, with or without sardines, tuna or for that matter mackeral.

I mean, what the hell is the guy going to think when he sees a dead penguin except, “Wow, what a story arc! Gotta have time travel, though…”

They already did the time tripping penguin. Remember Harry Kim?