You did read the thread before you bitched about it, right? Because so far, it is pretty witty and funny. The “roll of quarters” one made me laugh out loud. Or is it automatically rude and tasteless because of the guy who started, without regard to the threads actual content?
Also, it’d be nice if you would point out where the pique in that thread is. Seemed totally non-confrontational and good-spirited to me. And if you don’t agree with me, I have a lot more hyphenated adjectives, and I’m not afraid to use them.
The “Yo-Mama” jokes, and their effectiveness have been totally lost in the context.
A thread that states – “Hey you know all those tasteless yo-mama jokes? Let’s list all we know,” - well that’s one thing. No one is specifically being attacked.
But when in the middle of some otherwise unrelated thread a poster decides to escalate the flame war by stating, “Your mother is a whore,” - it’s not quite the same thing.
If after reading the other threads on the other boards (as I have as well), you’ve decided that that mindless, juvenile, “ass-clown” humor is for you, well, I don’t know what to say, except I used to think that way too – when I was 12.
Grim-etcetera seems to think that there are rules for wit, which differentiate from community to community. Ain’t friggin’ so. Wit is wit. I think most of us are smart enough to recognize it when we see it. And personally speaking, I really don’t want to have to deal with people who think wit is –
“OMG, you suck, ha ha, yo-mama, you have pimples, lol, ass-clown.”
Just my toned down opinion on this whole bru-ha-ha.
Miller? You male or female? I’m pretty sure you’re male from what I remember of your posts :).
I’m female. I don’t like yo mama jokes. I realise that in dalovindj’s world that makes me an uptight, humourless, insert word-of-your-choice but I can live with that. I think they are dumb and sexist. I also notice that there are not a lot of women posting on that thread. It’s interesting to me at least that it’s mostly men posting to that thread and mostly men who appear to think it is good natured and fun. But that usually is the deal with jokes which are racist, sexist or anti-gay.
Just as dalovindj (and I’m amused by the irony of ‘loving’ in his screen-name) is entitled to find these jokes amusing, the people who are being made fun of (and even if it is in the abstract, we still remain the butt of these jokes )are entitled to think they are puerile and insulting.
Shit. Should have previewed because I didn’t mean to imply that only men were sexist, racist or anti-gay.
More precisely what I meant to say was that the group who is the butt of the joke (anti-gay, blond/e, racist, whatever) tends not to find the joke funny. Insulting whole groups of people is not a screamingly witty thing to do IMO.
I’m a woman, and I’m posting in that thread. I can think of some others who might join in too.
To some extent, humor is subjective. I think some yo mama jokes are funny. Some are really lame. And I’m not particularly convinced they’re sexist (the one I posted was originally about somebody’s uncle.)
What Grimmy is talking about is something else entirely. Some people find long, profanity-filled flames funny, and others find them vulgar and stupid. But while the yo-mama jokes and such are pretty much universal, the two-sentence “ass clown” flames are considered successful on only a few message boards. Which would lead me to conclude that they’re message boards haunted by 13-year-old boys, hopped up on Mountain Dew and posting in between rounds of Playstation in somebody’s basement.
Of course not Miller! They’re a celebration of maternity and the high place mothers hold in our society ;). Why, any mother would be thrilled to get a card with Yo mama jokes in it for Mother’s Day.
Maybe there’s a great debate about who those jokes really are putting down and whether they are sexist or what they really are.
Dammit, I didn’t mean to hit submit! That’s twice in as many days. Grr. Anyway:
I don’t try to keep my gender a secret or anything, but I don’t think I’m going to answer that question. I don’t see what my gender has to do with the validity of my opinions, one way or the other.
So far, only one woman has participated in that thread. Of course, since there are ten posts in that thread, that makes a significant 10% of all responses by women. And there’s no way to tell how many women have seen that thread and thought it was funny, but had nothing to contribute. Or, we could wait until we have a more significant sample to work with before we start making our appeals to invisible majorities.
And, sorry to detract from your martyrdom, but I could be considered the butt of half those jokes, going by your very loose definition of the phrase “butt of a joke.” Particulary the “fat”, “yellow-toothed”, and “dumb” ones (see beginning of post). So you say those jokes are about you, and are offensive, and I say those jokes are about me and are okay. Guess it’s a draw.
“Yellow toothed” jokes? That’s a class of joke which so far has escaped me.
What the fuck is with the martyrdom comment? Martyrdom would be where I personally took umbrage with those jokes as being directed at me. Which I haven’t done. I dislike these types of jokes in the abstract. I don’t tell them and I don’t find them funny.
FWIW if dalovindj had begun a joke thread about gays, different races or ethnicity, or fat people, my comments would not have differed.
I’m so fat and ugly and stupid that my mom ties a porkchop around my neck to get me to finish my ABCs homework and then I eat the porkchop and then everyone runs away when they see me.
Thank you. I agree. INTENT IS IMPORTANT. Which is really why I bring this up at all. Not to insult people, but to illustrate that the author’s intentions are what’s important. Regardless of what the words might mean when used by someone else in another situation.
Obligatory “immature” dig. Predictable. Anyway, I find Shakespear funny, and I find South Park Funny. I find Dennis Miller funny, and I find Andrew Dice Clay funny. I like clever, intelligent, plays on words and I like quick vulgar bitch-slap contests. Liking one in no way takes away from my ability to enjoy (and in this case contribute) to the other.
So you think “what’s funny” is a matter of fact and not opinion? I disagree. Everybody finds different things funny. To assume that what YOU find funny is the only thing that IS funny is pretty laughable to me.
It’s a KIND of wit. Some people like it and some don’t. You don’t like it? Big surprise here — don’t read it. Simple.
Esprix:
A word nazi is my pet name for someone(poster A) who insists that a sentence or phrase means one thing, while the person who wrote it clearly states the intended meaning as being different from the one stated by poster A.
Like I use definition 3b of the word evolution, and someone insists that evolution is only acceptable if you mean definition 1c. Or someone insists that when I say “gay” meaning “lame” I am referring to homosexuals negatively. Someone who is not interested in understanding a writers intent, but is instead focused on semantic games.
It offends me for you to speak at all. So if you say anything else, it speaks volumes to the type of person you are. :rolleyes:
Jack Batty:
Thank you. I agree. INTENT IS IMPORTANT. Which is really why I bring this up at all. Not to insult people, but to illustrate that the author’s intentions are what’s important. Regardless of what the words might mean when used by someone else in another situation.
Obligatory “immature” dig. Predictable. Anyway, I find Shakespear funny, and I find South Park Funny. I find Dennis Miller funny, and I find Andrew Dice Clay funny. I like clever, intelligent, plays on words and I like quick vulgar bitch-slap contests. Liking one in no way takes away from my ability to enjoy (and in this case contribute) to the other.
So you think “what’s funny” is a matter of fact and not opinion? I disagree. Everybody finds different things funny. To assume that what YOU find funny is the only thing that IS funny is pretty laughable to me.
It’s a KIND of wit. Some people like it and some don’t. You don’t like it? Big surprise here — don’t read it. Simple.
Actually, I would say that is exactly what they represent. They’re “yo momma” jokes because insulting somebody’s mother is supposed to be the lowest of low blows. Half the humor of the form comes from the fact that you open up by insulting one of America’s most cherished insitutions: Motherhood. Moreover, you’re attacking the most important person in you’re target’s life: his mother. (The form was originated, after all, by young, urban black kids, most of whom come from single-parent households, rendering “yo poppa” jokes pointless.)
From the other thread: Your mother’s teeth are so yellow, when she smiles traffic slows down. One of my favorites so far.
Got that from this comment:
If that wasn’t what you were trying to say, feel free to take another crack at it.
One difference would be that you would have had a valid point.
I think the only valid point I’ve got left to make to you Miller is that I do not like those jokes. Feel free to tell those jokes, feel free to think they are funny. Whatever floats your particular boat :roll eyes:
You see, the beauty of freedom of speech is that people get to make idiots of themselves and display their prejudices in public. If you think that yo mama jokes actually display reverence for women and motherhood, well that’s a fascinating interpretation of it.
Excuse me if I don’t see it that way. I’ll just sit here in the humourless word nazi corner.
“Poster A,” of course, being me. Any particular reason you’re ducking saying that? And if the person who wrote it was so clear, there wouldn’t have been any offense taken, would there? In your zeal to be “da bomb,” you have lost any kind of care for anyone else but yourself - again, it speaks volumes for the kind of person you are, and the choice remains yours.
And, again, if you can show me the that the etymology of the word “gay” meaning “lame” came from some other avenue than “homosexual” I’d be glad to consider your argument - until then, the fact remains that saying something is “gay” is offensive. Since you don’t care that you’re offending people, you continue to use it - your choice. Obviously making you aware of that fact that it portrays you as an insensitive jackass seems to mean nothing to you - so be it, your choice.
Ah, but as you keep saying you don’t intend to offend by using words such as “gay,” I, on the other hand, do intend to offend you for your blatant and willful ignorance, so, yes, I think I’ll keep talking, especially now that I know it offends you. Thanks for the tip!
Oh, and dj, you didn’t deem my flame of you worthy enough for a reply, yet you keep sniping at me continuously and in other, non-related threads. Either state your peace, respond to the flame, or kindly shut the fuck up. For my part, I’ve been avoiding you, and it’s done wonders for my eyestrain, previously having to roll them every time I read one of your “hip” posts.
uhhhm…
i would just like to say that this is one of the most interesting threads i’ve ever seen. just step back, and look at what’s happened.
it’s gone from a dig at other messageboards, supposedly lesser ones by their primarily young-teen membership, to a welcoming of a poster from one such messageboard, who suprised many by being quite an intelligent person, to a debate on the validity of yo-mama jokes, and now to a flame war centered on Dalovindj.
amazing.
and two…
dalovindj? what happened with that post? it was almost a doublepost, but it was only one post…
Yeah. I fucked that post up. I musta done some silly shit with a control-V. I previewed and still didn’t catch it. I’m a couple drinks in at this point, but nothin’ crazy, so I’ll blame it on the rain.
Your post made me laugh out loud for sure. I do love this place, and I didn’t get much (read:none) work done today. I like it when things keep lively. It’s good for the soul.
Esprix:
Paranoid much? No, it’s not you. There are a number of people who have in the past implied that my intent is not important. Rather, just the words are important. I posit that this is a foolish way to behave. Words are just tools for communicating thoughts and feelings. Once you have come to understand (by asking questions if neccesary) the intent of the author, the rest is unimportant. I speak generally here, and am not just talking about you. Although you do frequently display the qualities of which I speak.
To you it is offensive. To many others it is not. Not only on this board, but also IRL. To people I consider dear friends and wonderful people. People who laugh alot and just want to have fun. People who don’t want to hurt anybody, and try to live their lives as pacifists. So you’ll forgive me if I don’t let your stance on the issue be the end-all be all which determines whether or not I’m a jackass, or whether it’s worthy of further discussion.
And they tell me I’m childish. My statement was an exercise in sarcasm to illustrate your faulty logic. As so often seems to be the case when speaking to you <whoosh>.
Really? I can think of a few recent threads where you came in and insulted my posts or intentions. Tit for Tat and all being what it is these days, I laugh mockingly at this secodary post of yours.
Are you sure that was me? I looked for it, and couldn’t find it. Plus, pea-brained moron doesn’t sound like me-I’m more likely to say moronic dickweed, or something like that.
Anyhoo, I don’t like Yo Mama jokes just because they’re, well, stupid. Not satire stupid, like Beavis and Butthead, or something. They’re just pathetic. Give me The Onion anyday.
