Ever been "haunted" by a bad ex? (kind of ong)

I live in a fairly small city (pop. 80,000 people I think) and I have a somewhat unstable ex. Even though I haven’t seen him in about 2 years (and that was at a distance), the fear of running into him somewhere haunts me - I have nightmares about it. Have you been in a similar situation? How did you handle it / get past it?

Background:
About 5 years ago I was going through a hard time - I’d just been dumped and I was turning 30 and I had a stressful new job and no friends in this new town. Then I met a guy who seemed okay … I was lonely and desperate and didn’t know how to be single, so we hooked up. It took a little while for me to realize that he was a closet alcoholic, as well as a pothead. I don’t even know if he is “right” in his brain - he would say and do some strange things. By the time I clued into all of this, we were living together and I wasn’t sure how to get out.

I finally broke up with him for good 2 1/2 years ago. The night I broke up with him, my car’s tires were “mysteriously” slashed. He called me constantly, sent flowers, a couple of cards, etc., left drunken messages on my voicemail at work … but I never saw him stalking me or anything, and gradually the calls tapered off. I’ve moved in with my boyfriend since then, so he can’t call me at home anymore. I would say that even now I still get a couple of calls a month - at work only - at ungodly hours like 2:00 a.m. - they’re just hang-ups but it couldn’t be anyone else.

I’m just SO ashamed of myself for ever being with such a loser. I’m afraid that my honey will see this guy and think less of me for being with him. I’m afraid that if we ever run into him, the ex will be rude or verbally abusive or say things to embarrass me. He is just NOT a stable person.

How do I get over this? Any ideas?

“ong” = “long” :smack:

If you’re worried about what will happen when your current boyfriend finds out about this ex, then tell the boyfriend all about it now–when you can control the situation and take all the time you need in the conversation (much better to discuss the nasty ex when you’re prepared and in your comfortable surroundings than if you bump into him in a public place). I really don’t think he’ll hold a bad ex against you. Honestly, we all have at least one in our backgrounds. There’s no reason for you to be ashamed of it. You weren’t the one out there slashing tires.

Thanks …

My b/f knows all about the ex … so it’s not like I’m trying to hide anything. And I KNOW that he wouldn’t hold it against me … it’s hard to explain.

I have so much admiration and respect for my ex, and I guess I’m afraid that he will lose some modicum of respect for me …

I’m just so embarrassed and ashamed of being with such a loser.

I’m wondering if other Dopers have been in similar shoes …?

See if your province or area has an anti-stalking law. Contact the police.

I’m tempted to say that if you’ve been in the dating game long enough, you’re bound to have a few “What the hell was I thinking?” relationships. I know I have. Cut yourself some slack. :slight_smile:

Not entirely the same, but I have some experience from your Boyfriend’s perspective:

My SO had a year long relationship with a man who had a mentally ill mother. Flash forward 3-4 years and we are dating and we start running into the Mom maybe 2 times over 18 months. It is also different in that the Mom wasn’t abusive, but she WAS highly inappropriate … and would make inappropriate comments and ask inappropriate and intrusive questions. I never thought less of my SO.

(Then one night when the Mom had seen us twice in a yr and half or so and there was no mistaking who we were) we were out with my boss and his wife and who should be-bop up full of crazy comments and questions … I won’t lie to you: it was awkward, uncomfortable as hell and infuriating.

What it was not was the end of the world : it didn’t change my view of my SO and in fact if anything the cool under fire , yet compassionate [attempted] handling of the situation made me love her all the more. Ultimately it was a PIA on the order of her having the flu on the day we were to go to the Superbowl or being called to work on a long planned vacation – ugly but not a “deal breaker” and “not her fault” I knew.

Oh, Stainz, honey. You have nothing to be ashamed of. I’ve had two relationships I’d like to forget ever happened, for different reasons, but ultimately, I have to be glad I had them, because they led me to my husband today.

Warning: Long and anecdotal.

The first: I was with a guy for four years. We were engaged for… well, almost four years. He proposed to me three months into the relationship. You know how? Over the internet. What a romantic. :rolleyes: I should have run for the hills then. But no, no, I was 18, and I was madly in love. As the relationship progressed, things just got worse and worse. He was mentally abusive, and I had extremely low self esteem - to the point that I wouldn’t argue with him, or he would flip out at me. “Flipping out” meant, at first, that he would throw things around, later it meant he would throw things around and tear at his hair, even later it meant he would throw things around, tear at his hair, pull the carpet up, howl like a dog, and take swings at me. Later, the swings didn’t connect until I told him I was going to leave him if he didn’t straighten out.
He lived off of my money, went in to work only a couple of times each week, wanted me to pay for school, refused to move out of his mother’s house, his mother also took my money and never paid me back, and what’s worse… the guy was filthy. At first, I think he bathed just to impress me. As he gained more control over me, he bathed less and less. He worked at a fish factory, would come home from work and sit around in his stinking work clothes for hours, finally change when his mother and I complained enough, but not shower. When he dropped his pants, you could smell him in the next room. Dis-gust-ing. I spent the last year trying to find ways out of his manipulative web, and just get the courage up to leave him. I wouldn’t let him hug me or touch me in any way, and kisses were out of the question. He repulsed me completely.
You know, looking back, I wonder why it was so hard, but I was a different person then, and I was scared. He was crazy. I thought he would hurt me or my family. I tried to end it as friends, but, yeah right, when does that ever work in a situation like this?
I ran, I ran, I ran. Straight into the arms of another man, who treated me better than the last guy (months after I’d broken up with guy #1, I began seeing Guy #2, and I got harrassing emails and phone calls, being called a dirty slut, etc). I never wanted to run into that guy on the street, because he scared me to death. However, Guy #2 lived in Federal Way, WA, and so I would come out here, hooray! I’d be far, far away from that nasty ex.
However.
Guy #2 turned out to be mentally abusive as well, always telling me I was so stupid, for so many things, not just the ex. Everytime I voiced an opinion about something, he’d tell me I was stupid. But, he said I was so beautiful, and he loved me more than life, and he was so happy we’d found each other. It was a deeply passionate relationship, with a lot of sex, and a lot of… “desperation”, if you will. You know, that young lovers thing, where you just can’t stand to be apart. We got engaged, too. I had a gigantic rock to prove it. Since the first guy hadn’t even given me a ring, well, rock = love, right? Wrong. Oh, so very wrong.
The last thing Guy #2 said to me, while I was living in New Brunswick still and we were working on the paperwork to bring me into the States on a fiance visa? He says, breathlessly: “My love, I cannot wait until you are out here, in my arms! We will be so happy together!”
He calls me up the next day, honest to Og, breaks up with me (no warning whatsoever!) and moves in with a girl he was working with. I was beyond devastated. I was suicidal. I was shocked, stunned, horrified, angry, depressed. I had to go to counselling to get myself fully straightened back out. His response? “Just get over it? I love Desiree now.”
Murder.
I did not take that breakup gracefully, at all. I am ashamed of how I acted. I didn’t stalk, but I called and yelled at him (but only in the daytime, not at ungodly hours), I sent flowers, begging him to come back. All in all, a very, deeply shameful time of my life. I lost my pride, my dignity, and the thing I miss the most: my innocence.

Whew. Okay.

My husband used to be guy #2’s best friend. He was as shocked as I (and the rest of us!) had been by the breakup, and rushed in to my rescue. He called me everyday to make sure I was okay, and let me cry my foolish heart out onto his shoulder. His kindness and caring became something I relied on. However, in my eyes, he was my best friend. I had no idea he fell in love with me during his “rescuing”. In fact, he’s had a crush on me since the day he’d met me with my ex. I was clueless, of course.
About a year after the huge, messy breakup, he invited me out to spend Christmas with him, just to get away from everything. On Christmas Day, he gave me a ring and asked me to marry him… I sadly said “Look, I’ve been engaged two times already, you might want to avoid a girl like me.” He just said that the third time’s a charm, and put the ring on my finger. I did beat around the bush a while longer, but then we got married on February 19th last year. I married my best friend. He’s never held any of my past relationships, faults, mistakes, etc against me, and you know something? He’s got his own messy stories, himself.
Guy #2 has recently come back to haunt me, because the girl he left me for broke up with him, and he can’t move out, because he’s got nowhere to go, and he’s been calling and trying to beg forgiveness. I won’t. I’m still hurting from that one, and yes, still pretty embarrassed. In the end, my husband and I talked about it, and decided that there was no good reason to let him back into our lives. He’d screwed us both over royally (him in another way, money-wise, when he left me for the girl, he left my husband behind in a house they’d been renting together with no warning and all the bills, and with over $1000 of my husband’s money). He kept trying to weasel his way in, though, until my husband got fed up and told him off over the phone, demanding he never call us at home again, and that we didn’t want him in our lives.

I’m sorry that my post was largely anecdotal, but I did want to show you that you’ve got no reason to beat yourself up. We all have some interesting, sometimes scary skeletons in our closets, but we’re all older now, and, Og help us, that much wiser! If your boyfriend looks down on you because of past events, it might be time to find a new boyfriend.

Er, what? Gene, can we run the camera back? I think I slept through the scene where the guy with all the admiriation became a loser.

Roger, I think she meant her current boyfriend instead of the ex.

Well, Gene, that illustrates the point that the filmmaker is trying to make here, about the mutability of personalities in cinema, and how a hero can be transformed via the…

Roger, eat your popcorn and shut the hell up, will you? I’m trying to watch the movie.

:smiley:

Seriously, though, there’s nothing much to be ashamed of; you were emotionally vulnerable, the guy ended up being a jerk, you moved on. It happens, and it makes no less a person of you.

I’ve never been in such a situation (though the boyfriend of the ex-wife saw fit to call me up on a few drunken occasions and tell me what a loser I was :rolleyes: ) but the maternal unit used to have this problem all the time, which by extension became my problem. I dealt with it by making it clear, in no uncertain terms and on one occasion with a Sykes Fairbairn dagger in hand, that I was not to be messed with. One guy showed up at what he thought was my high school for reasons totally unknown and asked to see me (a family emergency, he claimed) I didn’t attend that school any more and but he disappeared thereafter.

How did she deal with it? She just avoided answering the phone and stayed away from home, which more or less suited me but isn’t too appropriate for your situation. I’d say keep the current boyfriend in the know and consider a restraining order if it becomes to harassing. Keep a record of when the calls occur, too. Do not contact the guy (except through a lawyer or police) and definitely don’t ever threaten him, even in jest. If you feel threatened, you might consider taking a self-defense course, as much for the situational awareness they’ll instill as for the actual fighting techniques, but unless you are seriously prepared to learn how to use it and accept the potentially dire consequences I wouldn’t carry a gun or a knife for defense.

As for the psychological angle, perhaps there is some kind of support group in your town for this sort of thing? It can really help to hear the experiences of others and put your own fears in perspective.

Good luck to you.

Stranger

Thank you Stranger … (and Gene & Roger) for clarifying … yes, I meant I have admiration and respect for my honey, not my* ex*.

Just thinking about the situation gets me all … kafuffled.

The guy just creeps me out … he even phoned a friend of mine a few weeks ago … a girl who he always had the hots for … he was drunk out of his mind and she was really freaked out by the fact he found her number.

I think ultimately he is harmless, but the possibility of seeing him somewhere and him making a scene (he did this once before, shortly after we broke up, when I saw him at a hockey game) really bothers me. Even though it’s been such a long time since I dumped him, I am still so freaked out by the way he might react.

YUCK YUCK YUCK.

Thanks all for your empathy and your thoughtful responses.
S.

I want to second this, this is great advice, Stranger. Even if you don’t feel particularly threatened, keep friends, family, and SO’s up to date on anything - if anything ever happened, heaven forbid, then people won’t be left completely clueless as to why. It doesn’t even have to be a life or death situation, just something like if you or your SO’s house or car was broken into or wrecked, or something like that. Just in case, CYA and all that good stuff.
Self defense is good to know, regardless. I took a self defense class shortly after breaking up with the first guy, and it at least helps you feel a little more confident when going out. I mean, it helps in attitude, as well, even if you don’t feel physically threatened.

I hope you’re feeling at least a little better about yourself, reading some of our posts. (you should feel great after my foolishness! :smack: ) But honestly, I know it is tough - there are some scary people out there, and they don’t have to be criminals to be scary. No one likes to be put on the spot for something they feel is best. And I think we all feel guilty sometimes when we feel we should have known better, which is why many of us will be understanding. We don’t learn anything if we don’t mess up.