"Everybody draw Mohammed" on May 20 to support South Park

[emacknight]

@Magiver

There is no sane reason that Mohammad’s image can’t be drawn, criticized or otherwise referred to in any form of communicated idea.

There is one sane reason: It is the single most rude thing you could do to a (reasonably) devote Muslim.

This act is the n-word x 100.

It’s like walking into a Japanese man’s house, and not only leave your shoes on, but track dog shit across his floor, wipe them on his wife’s face, while you bag his daughter.

It’s really fucking rude, free speech or not.

@Magiver

I don’t know how you get the point across that Mohammad’s image is not off limits without a mass exhibit of him. This should have been done over the Danish cartoons. The spokesperson representing the group said point blank that terrorism was an express part of Islam. These people need to be exposed for who they are.

That’s sort of the point, YOU (and all these protesters) don’t know how to get this point across. And a mass exhibit of him sure as hell isn’t going to do it.

My guess is that the violent ones (0.001%) won’t be phased, because they expect this of you. They will however gladly suck up all the free propaganda material they can. They will probably act as outraged as the OP is. Then there is a sizable portion of the Muslim community that just won’t care. But what this will actually do is offend the 80% who up until this point were rather undecided. This is the group that wept on 9/11 and were disgusted that people corrupted their faith. This is also a group that was pissed two countries were invaded. And now they’re kind of back on the fence. They don’t like terrorists, but they also don’t give a shit about Westerners.

So when you collectively take a big dump on their front lawn, do you think they are going to thank you? Heh, isn’t that was Bush said about invading Iraq? I don’t, I think they’re going to be disgusted by it, and be a little less likely to discourage their sons from joining a terrorist cell.

I will agree that technically this should have been done after the Danish cartoons, that’s what’s called ‘striking while the iron is hot.’ Your iron is very cold and rather ineffectual.

In any case, you’ve got about 25 days to think of something better. Matt and Trey put in about 4 or 5 hours of effort and came up with a two part cartoon.

Why not make this a challenge, turn it into one of those MBA group projects, or something you’d see on The Apprentice. Think about who you are targeting, think about what is important to them, how they think, the reasoning (or lack there of) that they use. What message and what way will get through to them. What are the side effects? What are the likely negative outcomes.

This giant stunt won’t work the way you think it will. You’re fishing with hamburgers. You like hamburgers, but fish want worms.

[Marley23]

@emacknight

Freedom-fighter? Do you really think this stunt, a handful of poorly drawn characatures, puts you on par with Salmon Rushdie?

I haven’t read The Satanic Verses, but Rushdie’s always insisted he was not making a statement about Islam or criticizing the religion. The novel obviously includes some Islamic concepts but it’s not a protest. Not that that mattered to the people who said he should be killed for something that (arguably) dealt with Islam in an even less direct way than South Park.

@emacknight

There is one sane reason: It is the single most rude thing you could do to a (reasonably) devote Muslim.

I don’t think that’s at all accurate. But you’re the Islam expert, apparently.

[Shmendrik]

@emacknight

There is one sane reason: It is the single most rude thing you could do to a (reasonably) devote Muslim.

This act is the n-word x 100.

It’s like walking into a Japanese man’s house, and not only leave your shoes on, but track dog shit across his floor, wipe them on his wife’s face, while you bag his daughter.

It’s really fucking rude, free speech or not.

No, sorry. It’s not like that at all.

[emacknight]

@Shmendrik

No, sorry. It’s not like that at all.

Yeah, I guess I got a bit carried away.

You still shouldn’t do that to the Japanese guy.

[Starving_Artist]

@emacknight

There is one sane reason: It is the single most rude thing you could do to a (reasonably) devote Muslim.

The word is “devout”.

@emacknight

This act is the n-word x 100.

How do you feel about “Piss Christ”? Were you as concerned over Christian sensibilities then?

@emacknight

It’s like walking into a Japanese man’s house, and not only leave your shoes on, but track dog shit across his floor, wipe them on his wife’s face, while you bag his daughter.

No, it’s more like we wear shoes in our own houses and then Japanese people start issuing hits on us for not taking them off first.

In free countries all over the world, Muslim immigrants are insisting that their beliefs and customs are paramount and that host countries adopt changes in their way of life in order to accomodate them.

Appeasement in the face of threats to freedom only results in more demands, more threats and more appeasement. It never ends. It’s way past time that the Western world stood up to these people and told them either to assimilate or go live in one of the many places in the world where their standards are the norm. It is not incumbent upon us to sacrifice our centuries-long freedoms and way of life in order to accomodate another culture, and one that doesn’t begin to know the meaning of accomodation toward or respect of other people’s beliefs and religions at that.

Cartoon day is not intended as an insult, but as a message that we are not going to allow ourselves to be intimidated into changing our ways of life because someone else doesn’t like them and will attempt to kill us if we don’t.

This is dog-simple and should be perfectly obvious to anyone eight years of age or more. You don’t appease bullies. Period! Doing so only results in more bullying, and we are seeing that now with regard to the South Park episode.

[Marley23]

@emacknight

Yeah, I guess I got a bit carried away.

You still shouldn’t do that to the Japanese guy.

Making a mess in someone’s house is rude. Walking up to somebody and calling him names is more rude. Drawing a picture of something is not rude by any objective measurement, it’s just something one group of people does not do. Drawing a picture of Muhammad fucking a goat or whatever would offend Muslims, sure. But that does at least mock one element of their religion. Drawing a picture of Muhammad in and of itself isn’t any more offensive than not keeping the sabbath.

[emacknight]

Damn it Starving Artist I don’t have time for this!

[Magiver]

@emacknight

There is one sane reason: It is the single most rude thing you could do to a (reasonably) devote Muslim.

This act is the n-word x 100.
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Then devote Muslims are insane because killing movie directors is 1,000,000 times more offensive. It says Muslims don’t value human life. Threats against free speech are not going to be tolerated.

[emacknight]

@Magiver

Then devote Muslims are insane because killing movie directors is 1,000,000 times more offensive. It says Muslims don’t value human life. Threats against free speech are not going to be tolerated.

Well, tolerated for 5 years, and THEN not tolerated. And it’s devout.

[Marley23]

@emacknight

Well, tolerated for 5 years, and THEN not tolerated.

You’re inventing an accusation of hypocrisy. Some of the South Park fans probably didn’t care about this before, but other people have been talking about the issue for years. You can find plenty of posts about it on this board just for starters.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Starving_Artist

Uh, that time has already arrived. Just ask Salmon Rushdie …

Is he that guy who was arrested for spawning in the wrong stream?

Oh, Salman Rushdie.

Never mind.

[Starving_Artist]

Yeah, I was talking about the fish guy.

[Magiver]

@Starving_Artist

The word is “devout”.

How do you feel about “Piss Christ”? Were you as concerned over Christian sensibilities then?

No, it’s more like we wear shoes in our own houses and then Japanese people start issuing hits on us for not taking them off first.

In free countries all over the world, Muslim immigrants are insisting that their beliefs and customs are paramount and that host countries adopt changes in their way of life in order to accomodate them.

Appeasement in the face of threats to freedom only results in more demands, more threats and more appeasement. It never ends. It’s way past time that the Western world stood up to these people and told them either to assimilate or go live in one of the many places in the world where their standards are the norm. It is not incumbent upon us to sacrifice our centuries-long freedoms and way of life in order to accomodate another culture, and one that doesn’t begin to know the meaning of accomodation toward or respect of other people’s beliefs and religions at that.

Cartoon day is not intended as an insult, but as a message that we are not going to allow ourselves to be intimidated into changing our ways of life because someone else doesn’t like them and will attempt to kill us if we don’t.

This is dog-simple and should be perfectly obvious to anyone eight years of age or more. You don’t appease bullies. Period! Doing so only results in more bullying, and we are seeing that now with regard to the South Park episode.

This.

[emacknight]

@Starving_Artist

Appeasement in the face of threats to freedom only results in more demands, more threats and more appeasement. It never ends. It’s way past time that the Western world stood up to these people and told them either to assimilate or go live in one of the many places in the world where their standards are the norm. It is not incumbent upon us to sacrifice our centuries-long freedoms and way of life in order to accomodate another culture, and one that doesn’t begin to know the meaning of accomodation toward or respect of other people’s beliefs and religions at that.

Cartoon day is not intended as an insult, but as a message that we are not going to allow ourselves to be intimidated into changing our ways of life because someone else doesn’t like them and will attempt to kill us if we don’t.

This is dog-simple and should be perfectly obvious to anyone eight years of age or more. You don’t appease bullies. Period! Doing so only results in more bullying, and we are seeing that now with regard to the South Park episode.

Accommodate has two m’s.

Out of curiosity, since this specific case started 5 years ago, has there been “more threats and more appeasement” for things other than the drawings of Mohamed? Shouldn’t we be a long way down the slippery slope?

Cartoon day may not be intended is an insult, but that’s exactly how it will be interpreted.

Also, if the goal is to create millions of targets, what happens if there is only a couple?

And every 8 year old knows not to antagonize a bully until they’re fully prepared to eat a shit sandwich.

If that is your analogy you are picking a fight that I don’t think you want to see through to the end.

[emacknight]

@Marley23

You’re inventing an accusation of hypocrisy. Some of the South Park fans probably didn’t care about this before, but other people have been talking about the issue for years. You can find plenty of posts about it on this board just for starters.

No, not inventing, just pointing out that this issue has been well tolerated for a while now. Which is why I will remain suspicious of their actual motives until May 21st. You might say I’ve watched too many episodes of South Park to know that Cartman is never genuine in his outrage. Seriously, watch the Cartoon Wars two part-er, it will ruin Family Guy for you forever.

Which is why my new prediction is this: the person starting this doesn’t hate Muslims, he hates Israel. I heard a really weird rumor about Syria supplying newer, more accurate, long range missiles to Hezbollah. This whole fake outrage stunt is meant to get the Great Satan to stir up anger in the easily outraged teenagers of Palestine. Enough anger and they do something stupid like kidnap an Israel soldier, then Hezbollah gets to test their new missiles. rinse lather repeat.

Dance puppets, dance! And what ever you do don’t bother looking up to see who is pulling your strings, just keep dancing.

[Marley23]

@emacknight

No, not inventing, just pointing out that this issue has been well tolerated for a while now.

I’m pointing out that you’re wrong about that.

Seriously, watch the Cartoon Wars two part-er

How many times do I have to say I don’t like South Park? I saw the first half dozen episodes when they were new, and I’ve seen maybe four since then. I’m not into the show.

Which is why my new prediction is this: the person starting this doesn’t hate Muslims, he hates Israel.

Who are you talking about? The Revolution Muslim guy? The May 20 protest? Parker and Stone? Valteron?

[emacknight]

@Marley23

I’m pointing out that you’re wrong about that.
How many times do I have to say I don’t like South Park? I saw the first half dozen episodes when they were new, and I’ve seen maybe four since then. I’m not into the show.
Who are you talking about? The Revolution Muslim guy? The May 20 protest? Parker and Stone? Valteron?

Cartman, he’s behind everything.

And I don’t mean YOU specifically, people protesting should check out that two part-er before protesting. Fuck it, I’m going to start using ya’ll.

I don’t know who is behind it (could be the British from Season 11 ep 4). It is most certainly NOT Valteron. Could be Matt and Trey fucking around, drumming up publicity for a 13 year old show that is slipping into mainstream.

[Cheshire_Human]

@emacknight

This is something you need to ease people in to. What if we didn’t lead off with the “yo mamma’s so fat” jokes, to a group who’s mother essentially died of obesity. Before making fun of someone, at least recognize there is hypersensitivity and work with it.

So, what’s your proposal for working with their hypersensitivity to help them get over it?

[MTCicero]

@Diogenes_the_Cynic

Fringe Christians send out death threats too, but nobody thinks the solution is to insult all Christians.

I do.

[Cheshire_Human]

@emacknight

You have the right to draw anything you want (except naked children).

Why do you keep adding this, unnecessarily, to your posts? Are you upset that you can’t have pictures of naked children?