Sounds like a plan to me.
I wonder when people will start clamoring for a new game to start.
As for the current game:
The more I stew on it, the more I think Hal Briston is town. I can’t even articulate why, I just feel that way.
I think it has something to do with the “Alpha Redshirt” thing. I can’t see a scummy Hal Briston doing that. One, I don’t think scum would have done a full claim like that. Scum would more likely claim “I am Town” and leave the door open for a future power role claim should the need arise. Two, scum wouldn’t jump on MHaye for the “Alpha” thing. At least I think not.
Why do people want to lynch Hal Briston again? Is it because Hal nearly died yesterday and they think scum jumped on Blaster Master to save Hal? I could get behind that reasoning I suppose, but I’m not seeing that as the case against him. I don’t understand these people.
He has a good point here. A corollary of “scum would never do that” being false is that it is possible for “opposite” behaviors to both be scummy. In the end, this means that discerning motivation is the important factor.
If I were still in the game, I’d be pushing to lynch the serial non-voters and the other non-contributors. I’m not doing careful reading at this point, but my impressions are: MHaye’s excuse of “I’ve always played this way” does not absolve him of its anti-Town slant. JSexton seems to be contributing little yet stirring up the pot with his few posts. Classic scum strategy. Nanook and Hal, I’d call pure lurkers. They need to start showing some active scum hunting or be up on the block.
The “confirmed” Townies need to be more active. And they need to decide among themselves who they’ll vote for as a block. Especially for the claimed Masons–I’m embarrassed. Once Masons have claimed, they need to vote together.
To take Pleonast’s point further, JSexton should know that. Or rather, JSexton does know that and is purposefully ignoring it to go after amrussell who seems to be the only player looking at motivations right now. Gee, who would do such a thing?
Yeah, I am taking amrussel of my scum list for the moment based on his play toDay. He might be scum still, but if he is he is doing a damn fine job of doing town’s job for them. He has had some great posts this Day.
JSexton, if he isn’t scum…then I don’t know what to do with that.
I agree with NAF. My personal feeling is that a last hour roleclaim should be ignored. Townies tend not to let things get that far. Scum benefit greatly from the quick unvote and lack of time to think about the roleclaim and who to lynch for the day. Everything MHaye did was anti-Town, including the roleclaim.
The town-knee-jerk reaction to a roleclaim is alive and well though.
NAF makes a very good point. Based on the roleclaim, there is NO reason for NAF to be dead. MHaye could protect NAF and himself at the same time. Way over powered, and way inconsistent with what happened in the game.
MHaye is either a really bad Townie or scum.
I say scum.
This is why last minute roleclaims are so anti-Town – no time for critical thinking. Not that this bunch spends too much time dwelling on this game.
I actually was expecting MHaye to “last minute” point out Hal Briston’s error. I can’t believe no one has seen Hal Briston’s actual roleclaim. No Townies saw it, and (if MHaye is scum) no scum saw it. I could see MHaye avoiding lynch with a well timed, “Hey, you did claim Alpha!”
Well since I melted down in this game I would imagine that any input that I have is totally discounted (as well as other previous actions). However, I agree with sach that it seems that the current strategy is to come from behind as a vote leader, make a late claim and then have votes shift randomly to someone else. Kind of a poor overall strategy. Of course if you are scum this plays right into your hand.
Make late analysis/claim/vote without any chance to dissect before the end of day. Nah, scum would never do that.
Huh? Am I missing something? That went down exactly as I said, unless for some reason a search on my posts isn’t turning up any instances where I used the word “Alpha” until I pointed out MHaye’s potential slip.
Why is **Dotchan **unvoting Mhaye right now?
What changed by the Death of Hal to make her feel that Mhaye is telling the truth all of a sudden? GAH! Lynch her for information!
How depressing! My whole reasoning for thinking that Hal Briston was town was based on my erroneous recollections.
But now that Hal has me straightened out, it’s even more clear that MHaye is scum. I can’t think of any other explanations.
Late roleclaim
over-powered role claim
role claim inconsistent with NAF’s death
Knew Hal was an Alpha Redshirt
The fourth point seems like a coincidence as I don’t know why a scummy MHaye would know Hal Briston was an Alpha. But the other factors clearly point to scumhood. Gosh, I hope I’m not wrong.
Does anyone see points where I’ve fabricated evidence again?
I’m curious as to whether or not the ability to talk during the Day is having a profound effect on this game. Scum being able to coordinate during the Day (position votes, time a false roleclaim, coordinate who switches to whom) are all very powerful tools for scum that are not usually available. This isn’t something I would have normally thought about, but I think now I see why typical game set-up forbids scum discussion during the Day.
It is a scum advantage; in fact, I’d say it’s a pretty big one, but it’s something that can be balanced out by adding other factors, like additional town power roles or letting some pro-town factions talk as well (like Masons).
However, it is something that can be appropriately mitigated by good town cooperation. A large part of what led me to my scum list (which, now that I’ve been spoiled, I cannot say whether it was accurate or not) was seeing JSexton’s lead, and how the others were following it. Rather than it being a “look at the scum pile up”, which is more obvious, you get to see how scum adjust in a way that is consistent with them communicating. You’ll see things going on that require a high degree of coordination, like passing the ball on aggression, or an abrupt change in tactics or opinions.
The problem is, I don’t think any of the town is really giving any of that any consideration and they’re looking for traditional scum tells. Slips and tells are going to be more subtle because the other scum can point out things as they happen and they can make adjustments immediately as opposed to discussing problems only at Night. Everyone is looking for the smoking gun, and it just isn’t there.
I don’t think Masons communicating is an adequate counterbalance. Masons don’t need to coordinate much of anything. Its a nice perk, but it isn’t like Masons can set a trap for scum by being able to talk during the Day.
Scum however can evolve elaborate schemes. Furthermore, a more seasoned player can directly tell other scum what to do. Sure, they could do the same thing at night, but Daytalking enables real-time coordination to the situations. That is, scum #2 and #3 are voting for #1. The plan: 1 will claim and 2 and 3 will jump off the wagon. #2 will vote for X and #3 will vote for Y.
This type of coordination can’t happen during the night for the next Day.
And Masons have no need for such coordination. They don’t need to deceive anyone.
As for looking for coordination, I suppose you are correct, but I’m not sure if one could really point to anything and be certain that there is coordination there. The point of coordination is that it appears seamless.
ETA: To take the idea further: I thought it would be fun to not allow scum to talk AT ALL. Therefore all coordination would have to be ad hoc. I think that would be more fun for all involved. Perhaps more frustrating for scum, but hopefully a fun challenge. Added benefit: don’t have to set up communication boards!
Speaking purely from the Terminator game, it was a very big scum advantage being able to talk during the Day, but then I think we used it well to plan what we were going to do.
The main problem was that not everyone was on US time, so using it to precisely co-ordinate lynches was not realistic. However we certainly use it to strategise, and more importantly run ideas past other scum to allow us to work out the issues in advance. We usually had a Day by Day game plan of what people would do and in general it was good. It also allowed us to try and avoid overlapping on people and try and keep us as solo as possible. It certainly helped in getting NBC lynched at the right time.
