Very recent developments have me noting - no one has yet raised the specter of the Evil MasonTM. I wonder, would the revelation that a Mason has been repeatedly and dramatically lying change that?
I’d be very surprised if you put in a scum mason. If you were in a game like that you would completely flip out! Oh wait, that’s me.
I think amrussel covered it pretty well, but he basically claimed he was a sort of doctor, and then said he protected NAF (a reasonable choice) for two Nights, and on the Night he was killed, decided it was a good idea to not reveal who he protected. I can’t see any reasonable pro-town motivation at all and it just SCREAMS scum to me.
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Maybe he saw someone else more worth protecting. That’s possible but unlikely because NAF was definitely giving information and someone else would be based on a hunch. Beyond that, as amrussel said, and I’m glad someone else is using that reasoning, if he DID see something, then it’s likely that the scum probably saw it too, and hiding it isn’t helpful.
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Maybe he decide it was time for NAF to die to confirm his readings. Fair enough, except he could have just said that. By not saying it, it looks bad.
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He’s just plain lying. He didn’t want to say because he doesn’t have a good explanation. He never never will, or needs time to talk it over with his scum buddies to come up with one.
But by doing that, he set himself up with having to explain why he didn’t protect Pedescribe on Day One, which he doesn’t have a good reason for. He also has to explain why he thought NAF was more useful than Diggit, which he doesn’t have good reason for.
Oh, and the timing of it is priceless too.
Really, I’m surprised he even lived through that Day, but then again, he only needed to fool 1-2 people to avoid the lynch, and then he could take his time to work out the details.
The only part of the claim that’s any bit convincing is the PM, but maybe he took a PM he had and made a few changes, or maybe you provided them with some (like we had in Batman), or maybe the scum had worked up some PMs in advance.
Anyway, I found that post funny because it just SCREAMED scum to me, there’s just not an ounce of towniness in that post at all.
I make no comment regarding whether or not I did; I am simply wondering whether the idea will occur to the players, and if so, how they will handle it.
Hey I bring it up all the time! Oh… but I’m not IN this game. That’s amusing, because I know if I were in the game, i’d DEFINITELY be asking “Are the masons Dirty?”
And if you did that, Story, I’d be amused, because even I wouldn’t expect that of you…
I have said it before and I will say it again, I don’t think that EvilMasons are fair to the players of the game unless you warn the town in some way. I don’t think that they are fair in the same way that I don’t believe telling scum that there are no mason in a game is fair or that I don’t believe that having a win stealing jester is fair. It completely destroys any semblence of balance in the game mechanic and is intentionally setting up the town to lose the game.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, and I’m not saying I agree with you. But in a hypothetical game where you discovered that the Masons had lied a number of times, sometimes in ways that do not necessarily correspond with obviously pro-Town motives, would you be inclined to make sure that the Masons didn’t survive until endgame, just in case? Especially as a former EvilMasonTM yourself?
Yes, yes I would make sure that they didn’t survive if it was within my power. They wouldn’t be at the top of my list, but I would be trying my best to make sure they were killed.
Also, to be fair, I wasn’t exactly an EvilMason. I wasn’t a mason at all, the masons were just lead to believe that I was one of them. Then I lead them to believe that they could share my win, but I didn’t investigate as mason and I didn’t really share proper color with the masons. It is a slight difference, but a real one.
This might be off topic, but I’d argue that the above is a distinction without a difference. If the other Masons are told that you’re a Mason, then you’re a Mason, in terms of how that affects the balance of the game. If you’re not really a Mason, but the Masons are told that you are, and then you’re able to pursue a solitary win condition at the expense of the Town… well, in just about every way I can think of, you’re the same as an Evil Mason.
Fair point. I don’t remember if the masons were told I was a mason or not. But they believed that I was so I suppose that is all that matters.
There were a lot of things broken about Batman, that being said it was still the most fun I had ever had playing town in a mafia game. This game ran a really close second though.
BTW: did town find out a mason lied to them consistantly and I missed it?
No. I mean, not yet.
Ok, I was just checking.
So, I still can’t get those spoilers, huh? I hope it’s worth it, because the suspense…it’s killing me.
Nevermind
I’m spoiled. 
You bastard!
ETA:
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That was supposed to be in all caps.
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I am sure story has a reason for keeping me from being spoiled…but it hurts. I hope the reason is good.
BlaM and peeker are not eligible to be contacted, ressurected, restored, consulted, or nudged. Their game is over, and therefore both are eligible to receive full spoilers, if they ask.
For me, a mason* is Town, period. I’ll only question their alignment if I question their claim. Questionable behavior might lead to lynching one of the group to confirm their alignment. If a lynched mason’s alignment is revealed as “Town”, then I will trust the other masons absolutely. To do otherwise would lead to doubting the truthfulness of the moderator, which I refuse to do.
*By which I mean a member of an intra-confirming group that is Town.
They were told you were their Leader. Sort of a “boss” character. But not a mason. You just had access to view their boards, and you could win with them. I still loved my Masons from that game, it was brilliantly done in retrospect, and you certainly did a great job there, NAF. Alot of roles could have been seriously screwed up or scrapped the game fallen apart in many ways, but thanks to the players in them it was able to keep going and hold up (You as the Evil Mason Overlord, Hal in the “I can’t win” role of the Riddler and almost pulling it off, S.Rugger as the first Daykilling SK, BlaM as Alfred the Butler in an impossible situation of scum, Draingead for actually CHOOSING to willingly take a complex fake claim and run with it…) All those elements had to come together to work and it was a great game to watch and read, spoiled or not.
There’s an excellent scum list. I’d guess two or three of those four players are scum.