That’s kinda my problem too. That and this big fat magic bag that seems to have followed me in here from the game…
wait, you still have a magic bag? I need to read the spoiler boards better. Go over there and post, my curiosity is insatiable!
Well how big and/or juicy it is may be subjective, but it feels heavy to me.
Well, NAF, one thing to know is that the delay discussed earlier in this thread had to do with an action submitted by Cookies the Night she died.
Ah ha!
That’s why I avoid being spoiled. Watching the games is no fun if you know the full set-up.
MHaye’s roleclaim pretty much gave him away as scum. Why town didn’t just lynch him then is yet another example of Town not thinking things through and instead following standard procedures – a reaction I think Town really needs to address and change. If I recall, a few people stayed with MHaye, but too many (including confirmed Town) jumped ship.
MHaye’s role as scum investigator puts things into a new light. I’d look at the Blaster Master lynch a bit more closely. It’s clear now that MHaye knew Blaster Master was a Serial Killer. With both Hal Briston and Blaster Master up for lynch, MHaye didn’t have to choose Blaster Master or anyone at all. However, by choosing Blaster Master, I think MHaye was going for the brownie points. He literally voted in the last minute.
If MHaye knew Blaster Master was SK then all scum knew this as well.
Kind of sucks for the SK’s too that there are town investigators (several) and a scum investigator. That’s quite a few investigators to avoid.
And Hal deserves his tooting. That was a good catch. (Yay pattern recognition!)
Also, it shows that MHaye investigated Hal Briston. That’s a good sign for the Town, but with 5 (4 subtracting Hal Briston, 3 if we include Blaster Master) investigations by MHaye, it still seems scary for any remaining Town powerroles, especially since several vanillas have claimed. Roles with information should consider speaking up. Roles with nightpowers should of course stay silent.
And what happened to the guy Cookies talked about who can Day Kill the partially dead? Hello! there are two partially dead deadites that need killing.
(Or am I making stuff up in my head again?)
I’m still unspoiled.
Town is doing quite well at lynching Scum this game. Especially compared to the last. I think it’s now time to for a mass claim.
I’m not sure I agree. The existence of a scum investigator indicates to me that scum had something to find in the town populace. A Mass claim gives scum the information they were trying to collect via MHaye.
To support a mass claim, there needs to be a tangible benefit. I don’t see one at this time. Each scum should be able to make up a plausible fake claim, so given a mass claim, what does the Town do next?
I suppose, given that MHaye’s fake PM gave him away (at least on this board, if not the game itself), that a mass claim could reveal a scum, but that requires figuring out the false PM amongst what will probably be several weird pro-town PMs. We’re talking about a group of people who wanted to lynch Cookies due to lack of capitalization! I don’t trust them to discern “true PM” from “false PM.” Nope, not one bit.
Yeah, Cookies! What happened to that guy? 
And y’know, I’m really a little insulted that everyone seems to think I’d let analysis of whether or not I wrote a particular role PM break the game.
I would be a bit insulted too, but really you shouldn’t be. Town has a serious case of dumb this game. They seem to snap themselves out of it periodically, but they are being shockingly silly about some things.
Yeah, I have no idea where your feelings of insult are coming from. The evidence clearly points to role PMs will do nothing to help the Town and most likely help Scum. Or are there new posts that I’m missing? Or is it in the part I skimmed?
Well, everyone keeps talking about whether, for instance, MHaye’s claimed role matches my writing style. My writing style, like everyone’s, is distinctive, and I’d have to have been pretty dopey to give the Scum no option but to either claim vanilla or try to ape that style convincingly.
I’m not really insulted, by the way; just being goofy.
That would be the part I skimmed/skipped. What the hell is up with the analyzing style? If they just looked at the content of MHaye’s claim they would see that it was bullshit. Why care about style?
They clearly should not mass claim. That would be a disaster, and I don’t want to read it!
There’s 15 players left. If there’s 2 scum left, that gives 5 mislynches. 3 would mean 4. Extra Night kills will reduce that.
Given the 3 “confirmed” players, the unknown pool is 12 players divided 10:2 or 9:3. That means we have 5 (both 10-5 and 9-4==5) more Townies then mislynches. Once the number of remaining mislynches is greater than or equal to the number of remaining Townies in the unknown pool, the game becomes auto-win for Town, disregarding special powers.
At this point, the Town either needs to find Scum the old fashioned way by “playing Mafia”, or they need to increase the number of confirmed by 5. A straight-up investigator could probably do that this late in the game, but I doubt such a role exists. However, a mass claim might lead to about that many confirmables in total, divvied up among several roles.
At this point, power roles are only as useful as they are confirmable. Any claim that can’t be confirmed means that player stays in the unknown pool. Worst case, the Town would get no more confirmables and no fakey claims. That’s no different than now. Otherwise, we reduce the unknown pool or get a good lynch candidate because of a poor claim.
I think a mass claim is helpful at this point. Of course, I also think the town has some good leads for traditional lynching. I think both JSexton and amrussell need to be lynched. So I’d be happy offing both of them and then doing the mass claim on Day Nine.
:grins: Good man, Story, good man…
I was just reading a comment from someone in the night thread, and for a second though- “wait? Are they trying to lynch me?” Who else sits down from Day 1 and tries to write out fake Role PMs so that they can stick to it the entire game? That’s the first thing to do if you’ve got an extra night in Rooshian Scum Lessons 101…
None of this 18 min hesitation to post up a role PM, I’ve got mine right here, and I’ve been following it the entire game! 
Also, I love the references the Evil Dead Musical (The Candarian Demon Moose is a real character from the ED Universe, for those who may think Story is just really creative… Hate the burst the bubbles and all, but yeah he’s from the Musical).
I wouldn’t say it’s “no fun”. Possibly less fun.
But I do think one learns more by being spoiled than unspoiled. I’ve learned just as much, if not more, about playing mafia from observing people’s actions when I know their motives and the subsequent discussions surrounding such actions by being spoiled in games as I have in the handful of games I’ve played so far.
But, as always, YMMV.
I would say different fun. I like both and will usually stay where there is more talk if given the choice, until I can’t take the suspense of not knowing anymore.
I see what you are saying. My opinion is that a mass claim can’t create 5 confirmed. At least it shouldn’t be able to. If town did mass claim and were able to create 5 confirmed then scum would rightfully cry “broken game.” Or did you mean Town needs just two more in addition to the 3 already identified?
One thing that I would consider is that a mass claim would put scum in the position of killing powerroles. That is, sacrifice powers for longer living confirmed town (pedescribe, Hockey Monkey and Total Lost). The problem with this idea is I don’t think there are any powerroles left. There is no doctor since DiggitCamara, NAF and Cookies all died. There is no Vigilante since a Vig should have been killing off unconfirmed players several Days ago. Any remaining investigators should simply claim, but with two dead already, I don’t think there are anymore.
I don’t think scum will be enticed to kill anyone except for those on the confirmed list.
I mean 5 in addition to the 3 already.
If there are no more power roles, then a mass claim can do no real harm to the Town. It will force Scum to publish fake claim PMs, with the associated hazards. If there are power roles remaining, even if they’re not confirmable, they present the Scum with the option of letting them continue operating or killing them, neither of which hurts the Town substantially at this point.
Although there may not be strong benefits to the Town for mass claiming, there’s certainly large risks to the Scum.