#47
The first quote seems to be at odds with the second.
I still don’t know what the hell you are talking about. What does Doc say in #47 that grosses you out?
I’m also confused. First you say that you got me confused with DrFidelius and it’s what he said that grossed you out. Then, you say it really was me and that I grossed you out with what I said in post #47. Which is it?
I thought that you had confessed to both collecting tf files and reading tf for household chores. I wrongly assumed you were overhauling.
I answered your question in post #38, and it’s been answered several more times. The acts in most mainstream porn are degrading because the female partner’s pleasure is sacrificed or ignored in favor of the male’s. And the acts listed require the woman to submit to acts which range from uncomfortable to painful. Since they are pretending to scream and moan in pleasure and beg for those acts, young guys raised on this stuff probably think that women reach orgasm from items on The List.
Good Lord, let me take a break, I’m tired and making less sense than ever. I thought Doc had confessed to owning a tf collection and to trading household chores for tf with his wife. That’s oversharing. (I think Fidelius was joking around though).
I’ll put the phone down now, but I won’t change my mind about the various sex acts that inflict pain and humiliation on women for the purpose of gratifying men, so please don’t link to or send me files that demonstrate loving facials, tf that appear to give her ecstasy, or any other one-sided male-favored acts. It’s cool if you like looking at it, I’m sure the actresses like getting paid for it, but don’t kid yourself. Outside of the S&M niche, most women would prefer equal time and attention to their erogenous zones, too.
Not for the SDMB it ain’t.
You seem very very confused about this subject.
You can’t seem to make up your mind whether you consider tf’s to be merely not pleasurable for women, or degrading to women. You seemed to be saying the latter earlier in the thread though you were struggling to justify your position. When LHoD threw you a lifeline and suggested maybe you were just being unclear and only meant the former you grabbed the lifeline and said, yes, that’s what you meant.
Now you are quite clearly back to saying what you said in the first place. You now seem to be equating tf’s (which is what Doc has been talking about) with “inflicting pain and humiliation”.
I don’t believe for a moment that your inability to be clear about this subject is because you are struggling to write clearly.
Well, this is becoming positively Hitchcockian! What nefarious motive do you suspect underlies Troppus’s eldritch insistence that she finds videos of unpleasant men having fun and orgasms while making bored women chafed, uncomfortable and unpleasantly tacky for cash to be degrading?
Please don’t just leave us hanging! I haven’t been in suspense like this since I finished Encyclopedia Brown and the Mystery of the Subway Puddle. (SPOILER: IT WAS THE HOBO’S PEE ALL ALONG!)
You need to:
1/ read my post
2/ understand it
3/ reply.
You seem to have skipped 1/ and 2/.
Are you telling me that your boring e-vendetta against someone who hyperbolically stated that mainstream porn was all choking and gagging (when, in fact, as we well know, there exists a wealth of nipple-twisting, crack-spunking and balls torture as well!) is pretty much exactly as autistic as it seems to be?
Well, darn. 
You need to:
1/ read my post
2/ understand it
3/ reply.
You seem to have skipped 1/ and 2/. If you’re struggling, you don’t have to post. You could just walk away. No real shame in it.
I’d say porn will be normal, or normative, when it fully reflects the participation of all interested parties–notably including many women. As evidenced in this thread, we are not there yet.
Right. Free porn online is mostly the flotsam of an industry that has been built, by men, to serve a simple, narrow concept of what men are interested in. People who put a lot of time and money into artful erotica for women and couples don’t give it away, at least not immediately or in great volume.
I am told that plotted sex movies, with larger budgets, are now ascendant, and a subset of these are written and directed by women–but they have a way to go before joining the rather inaptly-termed “mainstream” of porn. Women and some men are asserting their interest in making and seeing porn that avoids all of the objections mentioned in this thread. But it will cost you $25+ for the DVD.
Pretty sure our communication problem is because you and Doc can’t bear to hear that women aren’t into your favorite porn. tf, as depicted in mainstream porn, isn’t a loving, tender, mutually gratifying act for anyone but the most submissive and willing slave girl. Women in reciprocal relationships may offer or tolerate it, but it’s an off label, rough and crude form of masturbation that shortchanges the woman. I don’t care if you’ve dedicated hours and hours to sifting through widely available porn until you’ve discovered the handful of gentler depictions, the majority of tf is rough and selfish. That’s it, nothing more to add and I’m frankly perplexed by your tenacious hold on this sticking point. Are you actually surprised to hear that tf isn’t women’s favorite act? Do you actually believe there is a secret erogenous zone hidden away beneath our breastbones that is only accessible by kneading, squeezing, and sawing away at dry flesh between them with at least 200 pounds of thrust behind it until you’ve hosed her down and left her calloused, bruised, frustrated, and in dire need of a shower?
tf as foreplay, as a treat for him, as an interesting side trip on the way to mutual pleasureville is probably being recorded as we speak. But what is widely available is rough and one-sided that yes, for me, falls into the realm of humiliation porn because it uses the woman as nothing more than a tool for masturbation.
The idea of a gentle, tender, mutually beneficial alternative to the standard tf is cracking me up. Gee I hope I get that for Valentine’s Day! "Honey, I know just what you need. Go fix your hair and make-up, put on your prettiest underthings, and prepare for the most romantic night in your life. Then, get on your knees or lie on your back and let me squoosh your tender breasts together while I saw in the dry valley between them until I hose you down in total disregard for the effort you’ve put into your appearance and probably obstruct your vision and airways. Just what you wanted, right? Here’s a towel.
This horseshit is why you guys are besieged with jewelry ads this time of year, and they pushing diamonds, not pearl necklaces. If you have yourselves convinced that mainstream tf is anything but a one-sided masturbation fest that shortchanges and roughs up the woman, you owe it to woman everywhere to consider things from our POV. Or jewelry. Your choice.
This is beyond ridiculous. You aren’t coming off well at all in this thread, and should do what you’ve said you were going to do 4 times now: walk away.
I agree that I’ve contributed to a few rabbit trails by mucking about on my cell phone for half my posts, and I apologize for that. Despite of my rather inelegant contributions, I do think that a couple guys here have illustrated the OP’s question pretty well, though. With very little left to the imagination and some heavily peddled themes running amok, some guys apparently do believe what they are seeing in widely available porn and will defend it as truth and attempt to act it out with the same results. Hopefully that’s just an artifact of limited experience and a little interaction with live partners will expand their parameters for mutually beneficial acts.
Seriously, just stop. Your posts went off the deep end right away and have only gotten worse. The last one was more full of shit than any of its predecessors.
Would you mind actually pointing out something that she’s said that you take issue with?
You weren’t talking to me, but I take issue with this:
[QUOTE=Troppus]
Pretty sure our communication problem is because you and Doc can’t bear to hear that women aren’t into your favorite porn.
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Neither poster had made any posts in this thread that suggested that they can’t bear to hear that women aren’t into their favorite porn.
It seems that Troppus admits that some of her posts have been a bit…not well posted in this thread. Do you not agree with her there?