Facebook friending question.... (husband issue)

I don’t disagree with that haha I type a lot as it is so I’d rather type “this is happening because you’re fat” than “I’m sure you are a super special awesome person, but there’s a slight possibility that you might have changed in physical appearance from how he first met you and while he’s a shallow horrible person for letting that affect him instead of allowing true love to help him accept you for who you are as a person and a beautiful strong soul, this may be something that could in some way possibly be what’s causing strife in your relationship at the moment.”

Ya, I was hoping the OP would respond after my first “Did you have sex?” question. I wasn’t expecting it to become a page+ “TWTTWN is a piece of shit”-fest. If the OP had said “Nah, our sex life is fine.” I’d’ve gone “Cool. Then you’re overreacting” way back on page 2.

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ABSOLUTELY agreed. People that have never been cheated on don’t get this, hence the myopic viewpoint.

Except that A) their sex life is not relevant as to whether or not he might be cheating, since that’s not the only cause of cheating and B) she may not be overreacting, because he’s displaying suspicious and frankly poor behavior (given the existing trust issues) and the fact they’ve got a decent sex life is not relevant to whether or not he might be cheating.

So yeah, I guess aside from being wrong on every point, you’re doing okay.

Just keep in mind there are a lot of ways to frame your logic in less blunt and crude language but hey, it’s your choice. Frankly I was surprised you got jumped on that much. The interplay of the emotional and the physical in relationships varies a lot from couple to couple, but your basic concept was sound. IMO.

If you’re satisfied at home you’re much less likely to stray. Pretty simple.

It was a suggestion based on limited information. I don’t agree their sex life is irrelevant. Granted it isn’t the only cause of cheating but it’s certainly relevant.

Hi Guinastasia,

Here’s the “whole story” (not really, that would take a lot of time and byte space). It’s a bit long anyway, and I apologize to all.

When we were engaged and living together, he was her boss, and she told me also her friend. I met him and went out to drinks with him and my wife a couple of times and had him over our apartment.

Couple months before our wedding, I found several hundred pages of printouts on our bedroom dresser. They’re her emails from her job, and most of them are between him and her, and it becomes obvious to me that they were lovers. He was married (and still is) by the way–to a multimillionaire wall st. stock analyst. She admitted to the affair and even gave me some details about doing it with him in his marital bed. She said they had been friends before, and still were. She wanted to invite him to wedding; I said No Way.

Shortly after the wedding, when neither of them worked at the same firm, he called our apartment and got me on the phone. I calmly told him never to call our house again, and never to talk to my wife. He agreed (because seeing my wife was probably not worth jeopardizing his golddigging marriage) and seemingly disappeared, until . . .

About 10 years later (about 6 weeks ago), I accidentally found out that they were fb friends. My wife left fb open on the computer (my work laptop, which she sometimes uses at home), and the 2nd message down on the screen was from him. So I looked thru the “messages” section and found that they had had almost daily communications for the better part of 2009 and 2010, and the first four months of 2011. My wife’s a massage therapist and several of her comments were offers to give him a massage; a few others suggested meeting in the city for “a cup of coffee.” He and she are both about an hour from nyc, in separate directionsl. He has two kids now (stay at home dad), and his responses were always that he couldn’t make it. For all I know it looks like they never did physically get back together, which is what she has said. Some of the msgs included her saying to text/call her on cell, and him saying “Are you sure that’s ok with husband?” and her answering “He doesn’t check my cell phone.” So clearly, not a totally innocent “friendship.” I told her to unfriend him and she wrote him a msg saying “We can no longer communicate because it would jeopardize BOTH of our marriages.”

Annoyed by this incident I went thru some old stuff, and I found some journals that she had written, early in our marriage, where she was lusting after and asking out her massage therapist, and lamenting that he “broke her heart” by not wanting her. They did share some passionate kisses, but she says now that it never went further. Again, no proof of intercourse but not totally innocent. She also demonized me in those journals, with such complaints as “you can furnish a beautiful house, but if there is no love in it, what’s the sense?” When I confronted and asked her if she was unhappy with me all these years, or at least back then, she said no, she just had dark periods during which she would write this stuff. She also said the guy was was her inspiration to become a massage therapist, and she had great respect for him. I think it was pretty clear that she was in love with him, and would have done anything to be with him if he were available.

I also found an unsent card to our current handyman whose done a bunch of projects around my house. The card said “I would love to wake up next to you, even though I know it will never happen.” Her response to my questioning of these was that the card was a joke.

I’ve gone to her therapist with her to discuss some of this stuff. I think maybe she has some kind of disorder, but I also think maybe the 12 Plus years we’ve been together have just been a farce. We shall see.

Correct, there are lots of variables, but it’s certainly a relevant factor.

Wow, that’s pretty intense man. It sure sounds to me like she either is or wants to be a serial cheater. I’m really surprised you’ve put up with it for this long, and I can totally understand what you mean by living in a relationship of zero trust. Hope you work things out, or decide that you’d be better by yourself or with someone else.

I think that’s a pretty relevant story, in that it shows FB is not as goofy and innocent as some people indicate. I feel for you.
I feel for you.
My last long term relationship ended because a male “friend” that I assumed had been dealt with was still in the picture years later.

Emotional needs can be difficult. Even when we’re in a relationship , being desired by someone else can feel good for the ego. Hopefully maturity and commitment to our SO, is stronger but that isn’t always the case.

fjs, that is all kinds of messed up. I don’t see where you have the right to demand any man not contact your wife, since she’s an adult and all that, but the line is a dot to her at this point. Wanting to wake up next to your handyman?!? That isn’t a joke - that’s “We’re going to have a serious talk about our future together” stuff, especially taken with all the other stuff. It’s also interesting that she seems to want to get caught.

You say you talked to her therapist, but are you talking to someone yourself? There’s a lot to untangle there.

Actually, I have only “put up with it” for about 6 weeks, because prior to seeing the fb conversation I was in the dark. I have told her that it will be a long time before I can fully forgive (I know to myself I may Never forgive). Divorce is going to be quite expensive, so I have to figure out how to minimize that too.

In the meantime, we’ve actually been doing great sexually lately–which is kind of bizarre when I think about it. Maybe it’s guilt on her part and maybe it’s my feeling like I’ve got something to prove. It was good before too, but during this period better for whatever odd reason.

Oh, and I have a date with someone else tomorrow (wife works weekends). So we’ll see. I hate sneaking around to do anything, but how does that expression about the goose and the gander go? I really wish I had known about it all these years, so I could’ve either just ended it or at least had some extracurricular fun of my own.

Thanks, Cat. I have not yet talked to anyone myself yet. While I am obviously bothered psychologically and emotional by this, I don’t know what a therapist could do for me–but at some point I may find that helpful. As I said in a separate reply minutes ago, I’m seeing another woman tomorrow.

If you and your wife both want to cheat, why don’t you negotiate an open marriage?

This is a great point too. Why would you seemingly want to have these secrets, but not destroy the “evidence” or hide it somewhere “offsite?” That’s why I think we’re dealing with a serious mental problem and not just a liar/cheater. Don’t get me wrong, still a liar/cheater, but one with a serious mental problem.

I sent her a long email asking why these things have happened, because I still haven’t gotten straight answer. I asked if she would like to have an open relationship, indicating that I wasn’t sure I would want that, but would at least discuss it. She laughed that off. And honestly I don’t think I want that, either. Re: my wanting to cheat, I never did, but I’d be a real loser to be faithful now. At some point we will be separated/divorced, and in my mind our marriage is over as of now (albeit not legally), so I don’t consider what I’m doing cheating. It’ll probably be a really long time before I do anything sexual or get truly emotionally involved with anyone else.

Okay, that’s cool. Sorry, it just sounded like you were “I FORBID you to even talk to him!” That’s what I was curious about. I seriously I hope didn’t offend you, that wasn’t my intention.

Once again, people – FACEBOOK IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!! It could be Livejournal, it could be a message board like the Dope, etc. Blaming FB is just a cop-out.

No offense was taken at all. It was a legitimate question. I’m glad you asked. I am getting great therapy typing on this board and viewing the comments/responses. You’re right, Facebook is not the problem. In fact, for me it was the “SOLUTION.” If I hadn’t seen that I might’ve spent many more years in the dark.

I see this is an old one here. I went through all the trouble to figure out there first and last names or to track them down on your friends list. People seem to be missing this point. Besides the fact that it’s insensitive, and a guy who’s chill with his chick wouldn’t be doing it. Yeah he’s gonna cheat again. Whatever they can get away with they will. It’s just you can tell the intelligence of a guy with Facebook because it’s public and all that. No offense. It isn’t a hung jury. You weren’t overreacting, it was a little crazy. I mean,all of them? Friends with the guys too? Still. Men are a pain in the ass. Done with mine as well. Cheating isn’t a big deal to me, it’s what you put up with while they’re doing it or trying to, lol. Like I can act like God’s gift and be pain in your ass,being an asshole, etc. Doing the laundry, cooking, etc. & Even if you’re open & into threesomes, it’s like constant. They won’t stop about it. Find a guy with a hobby or a passion. I like sex and all!! But it isn’t all Im going to do with my life.

I’m throwing this out there because I need to know if I’m overreacting. It’s a hung jury.

So, Saturday night I went out with a large group of friends (3 whom are VERY attractive acquaintences - one is recently divorced)… I know them only vaguely. After a few drinks, my husband and a couple of other guys meet us out at the bar for some pool. We’re all having fun, chatting, laughing, etc. Then we go home.

The next morning, I see that my husband has friended ALL six of the women we were out with (I’m not even friends with two of them). So, it’s like he came home saturday night and friended them after I went to bed. He told me he friended them since I was friends with them and they were cool (like I said, TWO of them, the attractive out-of-towners, are not on my friend list).

I because very upset about this (there are trust issues from the past which triggers this). He thinks I’m way overreacting, and I have guy friends on my friend list so why can’t he have girls on his… I suppose so, althought the guys on my list are family/co-workers/old classmates… not guys I met the night before.

We have not resolved this after 3 days and he hasn’t deleted them either. He just goes on and on about how much he loves me and that he does not want those girls in any way, that is was harmless.

PLEASE be honest - am I being insecure and petty… or does this seem like odd behavior?
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He, not I. Did some talk to text there, sorry

That should say; “he went through all the trouble to learn their first and last names, or find them in your friends list”.
That’s stalker action right there.