Fat people

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You sir are a prick. As Veb told you, your attitude stinks.
My husband has never, and I mean never, not when we were separated, not when we have fought, made me feel that he thought I was a pig. Nor has he ever said that to anyone about me. Hell, he doesn’t even call me a bitch to anyone. Even though I am a woman with an attitude.

I feel sorry for your wife because of the extra putrid weight that is in her life. That extra putrid weight is you. Maybe one day she will decide to lose it. If your feelings for your wife are what passes for love in your world, that’s a place I never want to visit.

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Veb, I bow and scrape in your general direction. That was beautiful.

It would certainly be completely congruous with your words.

Pyr, I doubt your wife–or, as you refer to her here, the “pig”–would be all that surprised to see you do just that.

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Pyr, I am as appalled as everyone else by some of the things you have said about your wife. But I’m not going to jump all over you about it.

If you felt you had to “let off some steam” about her here in the Pit, fine. Just, please. Examine your innermost feelings about her, and her weight. I believe you love here, I do. And I believe you want her to be happy, and feel loved. And if for some reason, there is some suppressed “vibe” that she is catching from you (that you think she is a “pig”) it’s not going to make her feel any better about herself.

If you are worried about her health, that’s legit. If you love her and you want her to be around for a long time, it’s legitimate to want her to lose weight (if that is a risk factor to her health.) Just don’t think of her as a “pig”. Yikes.

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Actually, you would probably get more empathy for being a slut or an alcoholic than being fat. It’s okay when you indulge in sex or drugs or alcohol to ease the pain, but God forbid you reach for another twinkie! I’m not speaking for everyone of course, but I have friends who you sex or drugs to cover up their pain, and while that’s not lauded, it’s certainly not as bad as eating extra.

I had a big reality check when I was at the YMCA locker room for the first time. I was cowering behing my tiny locker door, trying to change clothes without actually taking any off, but once I got around to looking at the women around me, I realized none of them were perfect, even the thin ones in excellent shape. There were tiny women with huge hips, or flabby thighs, or big bellies. There were big women who looked beautiful naked, who had nice legs and gorgeous big tummies. Yes, my stomach is rounded and I have chubby thighs, but my body was no worse than anyone else’s there.

I spent ten years apologizing for my body. I refuse to do that anymore. My clothes fit and I think I look good when I make an effort. I can run a mile without breaking a sweat (okay, but it’s a little sweat) and I can out-hike many of my “healthy” friends.

I will reiterate Biggirl’s point: don’t like my body? Great! You don’t have to; you’re not seeing it naked anytime soon. In conclusion, kiss my big ol’ ass, you narrowminded fuck. You make me sick.

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I’ll try to make this brief. I read through the first page or so of this and want to pipe in on the topic of why Americans (on average) are so fat compared to the rest of the ‘first world’. I think the answer is simple and have actually had it outlined in a few college classes. Not specifically addressing ‘fat’, per say, but the reasons that stimulate it. It’s the same reason ‘we’ love guns. It’s the same reason ‘we’ vote down measures that cripple our public schools so ‘we’ can save $27 a year in taxes. It’s the same reason ‘we’ would cut down 5 acres of pristine virgin old growth forrest so ‘we’ can build a summer home in the hills.
The reason so many Americans are overweight ( and all those other things) is this: The American psyche. The pervasive sense of entitlement to do whatever, whenever, even to whomever we feel like because ‘that’s the American Way’. Our county has been established in such a way that people feel like they have a right to do or say or take anything they want and wave the flag while they do it. If a society believes, through centuries of conditioning, that personal freedom outweighs the good of the collective, blemishes start to appear. I have the right to be fat, I have the right to shoot off my mouth about my dislikes,I have the right to own fully automatic assault rifles, I have the right to drive everywhere everyday - but everyone else should use transit. These myopic attitudes are fostered in America like no other place in the world because here individual liberties are fircely extracted and defended.
Ok, in summary this is not an attack on overweight people, or loudmouthed jackasses, or gun nutz. It is a tiny reflecting mirror on the deeper cultural issues that underlies many of America’s quirks. I am a huge supporter of freedom of choice and personal liberty. I just want those jackasses who DEMAND liberty to their benefit to stop using that liberty to attack others doing exactly the same thing.

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You know pepperjett, I think you have something here. I agree with most everything you wrote.
However, you make it sound like being a jackass is a bad thing.:stuck_out_tongue:

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I saw a documentary on men and women who were overweight, and yeah, they all gave there sob stories saying how diets don’t work for them, they are victimised, etc etc.

The camera crew then followed them around for a week and 10 out of the 13 people on the doco consumed an amount of food that the dieticians described as “would eventually result in obesity”.

2 of the remaining 3 actually LOST wait, showing that they had actually eaten less junk food that week then they normally would, obviously in an attempt to hide their gluttony.

The remaining person didn’t gain or lose any weight, and his diet was described as normal by the dieticians that were interviewed, showing that he genuinely was not in control of his weight.

So of 13 random overweight people (approached in the street, off camera) who pled they were not in control of their weight, only one was genuine.

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Well, this is a no-brainer. Unless the cause of a person’s obesity is a thyroid problem or something similar, of course they wil consume enough calories to maintain that obesity. But that does not mean they are in control of their weight and choose to be obese.

It merely means that the cause of their obesity is something other than a physiological problem (such as depression or food addiction), or that the physiological problem they have makes them hungry.

And, as I said before, if you don’t have such a problem, well, how nice for you. But why denigrate those people who do?

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  1. “Well, this is a no-brainer. Unless the cause of a person’s obesity is a thyroid problem or something similar, of course they wil consume enough calories to maintain that obesity.”
  • Obviously, the dieticians were referring to if an average person of average build with an average metabolism were to consume that amount of food, they would grow obese. I’ll remind you, these were the same unfortunate souls who pleaded to the camera that diets didn’t work for them.
  1. “And, as I said before, if you don’t have such a problem, well, how nice for you. But why denigrate those people who do?”
  • I DO NOT DENIGRATE those people who do. I was relaying some information to webmastr.
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And in answer to this:

I’ll redirect you to this:

I think that it is sometimes difficult for people who have never experienced a problem to take the perspective of those who have it. These people seem to prefer to find some way of blaming the person by calling them names (e.g. glutton, which is a fairly loaded word, one of the seven deadly sins) rather than trying to look at things through the eyes of the affected person. I don’t think this solves anything except maybe to make the blamers feel superior.

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If people piss and moan to a camera that diets don’t work for them, and then piss and moan how they are mistreated by society, and then guzzle and slurp down obscene amounts of food, then I reserve the right to criticise them.

If you are not one of these people, then I have no beef with you.

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I am not obese and never have been; in fact, I don’t think I have ever even been overweight according to insurance standards. I have been less than satisfied with my weight at times, and when I am depressed, I have difficulty not over-eating.

Not everyone in the world is the same as I am, and may have a different type of metabolism or problems that I have never even dreamed of. I choose not to judge those people, Doc Moss, and you make a different choice.

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Frankly, I don’t care what some dietician says about some person’s diet and whether it will or will not cause him to gain weight. According to current dietary wisdom, I should have ballooned out into a blimp when I was eating 4000 calories a day, and should have a cholesterol somewhere in the 300s.

I just don’t buy it. I have no faith whatsoever in dieticians. Where’s the scientific data? I haven’t seen it.

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Criticise them for what? You can criticise them for being oblivious that they are eating too much, while claiming that they are not, I suppose.

However, do you think that their “pissing and moaning” about being “mistreated by society” is unjustified? Do you think that they deserve (because of their “gluttony”) to be treated like crap by other people? You know, the “oinking”, and the “mooing” from random strangers on the street, the other inconsiderate and rude ways fat people are treated? Do you think they deserve this and bring this on themselves? Or do you think that the people who go up to fat people on the street and “oink” and “moo” at them are justified in doing so? (Because, after all, the fat person could eat less, and could be thin. And then they wouldn’t get the oinking and mooing. Right?)

Other than perhaps not wanting to hear a fat person complain about how “diets don’t work” (while they eat too much food) what exactly is your “beef”? Unless they are accosting you on the street and complaining about their helpless plight, or taking food off of your plate, who cares?

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Since it is no longer socially acceptable for people to openly hate and deride people of different skin colors, the small minded/insecure/people-who-unknowingly-hate-themselves have to take out their self-loathing on people who are overweight or gay. Let’s all stop that and just make fun of stupid people. That’s where the real fun is.

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I thought sex was American’s biggest hangup. I was wrong. I don’t recall seeing any thread get this number of views. I also note that posters have decided that they can’t defend ‘fatness’, so they decide that anyone posting about fat people in the US must be ‘anti-American’. Typical for the US; any critisicm is just out of jealousy. Just what is the rest of the world supposed to be jealous of?

I would love to cut back my trips abroad, but unfortunately I do have to make a buck now and then, the US is one market I work in. Don’t recall I said I hated the US, I said I hated a number of extremes in the US (which, as a poster noted, may be because the US defends individual’s rights so religiously), be it guns, garbage, or gut. Fortunately, I come across the guts more often than the guns.

Stoid: your post made no sense. I will not even bother going over it line by line, but one of your main points seemed to be that I am stupid because ‘I think it hard to get rid of the last 5-15lbs, but it is easy to get rid of 100+ lbs’. Uh, no; the idea is that you are probably not just waking up some morning to find yourself 100lbs overweight. How did you get so big in the first place? One does not reach 30% over ideal weight without some serious eating. Put another way - it should be relatively easy to keep oneself from getting that big in the first place.

And I still do not buy the excuse that people are fat in the US because of ‘Hollywood’ pressure to ‘be thin’. I mean, what friggin’ pressure? It obviously isn’t working that much, or the US would be a country of Twiggy clones. Let me get this straight: Social pressure from the US media to ‘be thin’ is causing people to *eat more? *. Right.

I should also note that the US is not the only country in which models/tv personalities are thin with big bosoms (women) and flat stomachs (men). And no one has answered my question as to why men are not subject to the same pressure to be hunky.

Anyway, after all these posts, I see that actually people (apparently especially in the US - I haven’t seen any happy plumpers posting from outside the US, although maybe there was a Canada post in there somewhere) feel just peachy-dandy about being fat. Thank goodness the wise posters to the SD message boards have shown me the evil of my ways; I will no longer be disgusted at the sight of fat people. Instead, I will tell all the fat complainers that they should be more appreciative of their obviously preferable lifestyle. Why try and be thin, when we can be fat – hell, why not aim high and go for outright porkiness – and then be contemptuous of the little people who have the gall to call them out for it?

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:rolleyes:

People, people…It does no good to try to talk sense to those who only see what they want to see, no matter how clear your statements are.

Only the American overweight are happy with their size and think people like the OP should piss off? Hardly. But my jovial Irish and very huggable Italian relatives don’t post on this board. But I’m sure if you wanted to talk to one of them, Uncle Guido would be more than happy to meet for lunch if you’re ever in Venice.

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PepperJett, if you haven’t been officially welcomed to the board, then let me do it now.

I think I’m gonna like you. :smiley:

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That last post was mine. Marjorie_the_trash_heap is my almost-never-posts girlfriend. Looks like she musta posted today – Sorry for any confusion.

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webmastr, you are clueless and beyond hope.

But please. Some of the rest of you who seem to be going on about how fat people eat too much, and you are sick of hearing them complain about it - I have asked a question. I’ve brought it up several times (and I’m not the only one). Could someone address this?

When fat people “piss and moan” about how badly they are treated, do you feel they “deserve” what they get? Do you think that they deserve to have strangers “moo” and “oink” at them when they are walking down the street? Do they deserve to have people treat them cruelly, to look at them as if they are wasting air? Because, that is a big complaint from fat people. They complain about being treated like CRAP. Do you think they should just take the abuse, and figure they have it coming for daring to go out in public while fat?

I am utterly SICK of hearing about how fat peole are fat, and why they are fat, and how they got there. And how they could stop being fat. Whatever the reasons are, fat people exist. So my question is, do they deserve to be treated like CRAP because of it?

Please, it’s a question that requires a simple yes or no.