FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024

All except number 2. And as for number 1 you don’t know what you don’t know. So you check it out.

Doubt that for 3 the FBI is out to block his reelection, although it may be a byproduct of all if this.

Why do you doubt no 2? I think it is very likely to be a major reason.

What, they use typewriters?

Why not?

Top secret information. One single instance of the document. No copies to be made. Do not write on word processor. Do not save to hard disk. Too easy to duplicate word processor files.

Because any information system that only has one copy of a very important document is a very bad system. “Need to know” doesn’t mean that only one person has a copy. What if there’s a fire? “Whoops, guess we just lost highly important information. If only we had kept a copy.”

Especially because Trump was notorious for randomly snatching at pages in the middle of briefings and saying “can I keep this?” Any analyst who put the sole copy of anything in front of the tiny-mitted grabber would not be invited to the next briefing.

Besides, the primary reason there is a declassification procedure is so the document and its contents can be positively identified in order to properly declassify all other copies of same.

Yeah, exactly. Having only a single copy of classified information on a piece of paper would be just about the most unsecure setup I can imagine.

A document may constitute a unique artifact. That is, the document is itself evidence of something, rather than merely reporting information from another source. And there might be a security rule barring making copies of it.

Or a document might come into being, and Trump might have absconded with it before copies could have been made.

On a typewriter?

What an F’n mess. Every communication that Trump makes for the rest of his life must be very closely monitored.

At the very least.

On a typewriter. With a pencil. Obtained from another source. Whatever. But the point is that the document itself as a physical item might be important as opposed to just the information written on it.

That’s the point that strikes me as silly on its face, thus my “On a typewriter?” question. I don’t think classified documents in general are irreplaceable or unique. If they are, like say it actually is written on a typewriter, and there is no other way to reproduce that document, and destroying the piece of paper actually destroys the intel written on it, then I say that every single part of that hypothetical is terminally stupid. I just can’t even entertain the thought the my country’s intelligence operations are run like the Keystone Kops.

Oops, there was a flood, we lost our entire nuclear program. Too bad we didn’t make any copies. Alright, boys, back to the drawing board! Anyone got Oppenheimer’s number?

Again, don’t think of the information on the document. Think about the possibility that the document itself might have importance and value. Like the difference between a diamond and a photograph of a diamond.

I’m saying the “reason number two” is silly on its face and not even worth consideration.

You (Acsenray) seem to be arguing something else. This whole tangent is about the plausibility of 2.

Not too sure the President would be handed raw intel which had not been copied (or is not being recorded, ala a phone call with a foreign leader), but this isn’t really my bailiwick.

He would not. There may be specific documents with handwritten notes or signatures that are of historical importance to archivists, which I think is Acsenray’s point, but EllisDee is also correct that the IC isn’t going to be “flying blind” because Trump absconded with documents that they didn’t have digital copies of.

Aren’t Melania’s NFTs functionally a photo of a diamond? :grin:

What if that artifact is created right in front of him in his office?

Remember it’s not only intelligence and national security that is at issue. It’s the law that states that certain things belong to the government and that certain things must be archived.

Interesting. Perhaps Trump’s ability to focus on important things would have been helped if his briefings were lead by a magician.