FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024

What I read said it’s top secret with additional restrictions. ORCON means no distribution outside the issuing department, and FORCON means no sharing with foreign nationals.

To me this indicates that no, he did not just take “over-classified” documents that never needed to be classified in the first place.

Potentially if they’re SCI and it included the SCI codes. Only thing I can think of.

Thirded!

I’m leaving on vacation tomorrow and seriously considering taking my laptop just so I can follow this thread. (I just can’t enjoy the Dope on my phone.)

You mean Jack doesn’t use it the indictment?

Every year I do ethics orientation for new articling students - freshly graduated, ready to start their legal career

One thing I always pound into them is that you never, ever, give a professional undertaking relating to someone else’s behaviour. You only give an undertaking for your own behaviour.

exactly why this has stood out to me through the whole saga. why did a lawyer sign off on something they did not have first hand knowledge. the lawyers this man has found to surround himself with are just amazingly reckless.

Yeah, but since no one else uses it, dont use it here, it causes confusion.

Right.
I just use “trump” since he doesnt deserve the cap.

I saw all the talk that this might end up in front of trumps pet judge- did that happen or is it speculation?

oh, it happened. how long it lasts is up for bets.

It happened.

In the spirit of these three comments, IMHO trump only had two reasons for taking and keeping classified documents:

  1. To show everyone (and himself) how IMPORTANT he was.
  2. To sell to the highest bidder if it became necessary and opportune. No, he’s not smart enough to know how to do that, but there are plenty who would help him. Plenty. People he would, of course, throw under the bus later.*


Damn! This is priceless! Where is that thread where we tell a complete, full-length story in just four sentences. :joy:



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Me, too. He long ago forfeited the right to a capital letter. I also use a lower-case “p” when referring to his so-called presidency. Hey, some of us wield our principles in small ways.

I was thinking that as well.

And no one has to ask what we mean.

Weaponize English grammar usage!! :crossed_swords:

The DoD classification system was established by executive order; the argument from Trump’s side is that since he is the chief executive he can at a whim ignore executive orders regarding de-classification procedures - i.e., he can “think” them declassified and - poof! - they are.

The DoE has its own classification system which was established by Congress. These deal with nuclear issues. Since these classifications were not established by executive order, the ridiculous idea that Trump can de-classify them at a whim (or by the power of his mighty mind) have no basis.

Maybe I just don’t watch the correct news, but I’ve enjoyed the brief hiatus from the endless yipping on the Right about “witch hunt!!” and “weaponization of the FBI!!”, etc., since the indictment dropped.

Blaming the FBI was the first response on Twitter to the AP (Associated Press) announcement of the charges.

Here’s a depressing read: “If [Cannon] maintains her grasp on this case, it is nearly impossible to envision Smith securing a conviction in her courtroom.” Some of the roadblocks she could throw in the way:

Cannon can try to rig voir dire to help the defense stack the jury with Trump supporters. She can exclude evidence and testimony that’s especially damning to Trump. She can disqualify witnesses who are favorable to the prosecution. She can sustain the defense’s frivolous objections and overrule the prosecution’s meritorious ones. She can direct a verdict of acquittal to render the jury superfluous. She can declare a mistrial prematurely for any number of reasons, including lengthy juror deliberations, and stretch out various deadlines to run out the clock. Many of these procedural moves could not be appealed until the proceedings have drawn to a close; appeals courts do not referee every little dispute in a jury trial as they happen.

But it might be possible for the government to request her removal by the 11th Circuit Court, who already overruled her in the previous case.

Smith, for his part, has the option of requesting a different judge; 11th Circuit precedent allows reassignment when the presiding judge appears unable to put “previous views and findings aside.” (This is a nice way of saying that they’re in the tank for the defendant.) Trump would surely fight such a request, and it’s impossible to say where the 11th Circuit would come down.

Maybe I’m reading this wrong, but page 45 of the indictment clearly shows Jay Bratt selecting West Palm Beach (Cannon’s division) as the court division to handle this. So this wasn’t random, it appears to me.

For those who might be interested in learning a little more about Jack Smith, here’s another gift link:

A couple of things:

First,

Can someone help me understand the significance of the quote in paragraph 51? Who is the “he” Trump is talking about and how does this comment about Hillary’s emails support the case against Trump.

Second,

What if any are Nauta’s prospects for getting a reduced sentence by cooperating with prosecutors against Trump, as this seems to be about the only hope he’s got?

I saw the following Twuth by Trump

I have just learned that the “Thugs” from the Department of Injustice will be Indicting a wonderful man, Walt Nauta, a member of the U.S. Navy, who served proudly with me in the White House, retired as Senior Chief, and then transitioned into private life as a personal aide. He has done a fantastic job! They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about “Trump.” He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot. The FBI and DOJ are CORRUPT!

It will be amusing to contrast this with the resulting Twuth if/when Nauta does turn against him.