Could it get any worse for the guy?
FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024
“The superseding indictment brings to 42 the total number of counts facing the former president.”
So THAT’S the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
42 counts in all. This is an incredible read.
Responding to you, and more generally.
The time for cooperating has passed. That’s why they charged him. He still can, but he was already given the chance and turned it down. (All My guess, of course.)
Unrelated to your quote, a superseding indictment almost guarantees a post-election trial. Again My guess, but also based on smarter people (eg Andy McCabe) who also think the same. They could have brought this separately charge against this defendant separately? but did not. There are reasons not good for this Defendant for superseding, but as far as delay ammunition, this is “good news” for Trump.
Perhaps, but it doesn’t have to. The new defendant’s lawyers could easily catch up.
Three more counts and the “45” on his stupid MAGA hats will take on a whole new meaning.
I wonder how they know the contents of the phone convo?
Either they have it say recorders, or, like Nauta, this guy said some stuff…then clammed up. So dumb because you don’t get immunity/not charged but you also “hurt” Trump who would prefer you to be completely loyal instead of making admissions then invoking the 5th.
Or possibly a different way of course. This is a hot take.
I agree with @Procrustus. There’s no reason to have to delay the trump trial.
Absolutely right. Nothing has to change re trial date. Just plausible ammunition/arguments that it should when Trump requests his first continuance. Not totally unreasonable for Judge to grant that.
No way for me to know the specific merits of this indictment/changes at this point, except that it does add additional evidence that interlocks with Trump and Nauta original indictment. So, I think Cannon will think it’s a plausible reason to delay - if asked (will probably need this reason and another plausible one).
Jack is all in. I don’t think trial dates are his main concern. Just stacking evidence and charging non-cooperators and Defendants who don’t reach out for a plea. Chips fall where they may and all that.
*Bracket edits in quoted post are mine. For clarity.
One of the “good people” that Trump pardoned was Lord Black, who got convicted by the “corrupt DoJ” of obstruction.
One of Lord Black’s offences? Removing boxes of financial records from his office in Chicago. The boxes were under a court order to be kept in his office.
Lord Black was caught on surveillance video removing the boxes.
I guess Trump didn’t think it could happen to him when he was caught on surveillance video with his “beautiful mind” boxes.
Ah, the leader of the Leopards Eating People’s Faces just found out what those leopards do.
Now that I got the (100% justifiable) snark out of the way, I find myself wondering if this indictment is also an indictment of sorts for the judge. Maybe now she’ll dole out consequences to Trump for running his mouth off about the trial.
Does anyone know how much precedent there is for additional counts not delaying trial when the defense wants delays?
And along those lines, how common is it for a trial scheduled many months in the future not to be further and repeatedly delayed?
I’m not saying it should be delayed. I am of the justice delayed-justice denied persuasion.
This is my ignorant, not-a-legal-professional opinion.
Unnecessarily delaying justice is wrong, but many delays are necessary, because it’s more important for justice to be correct than to be swift.
You’ve got it right. Trials are routinely delayed and for very good reasons.
Putting on a trial is like putting on a play. Everyone has to coordinate their appearances, know their lines and be available to show up on the big day or over many days.
Every person participating in a trial has their own personal issues and concerns. Witnesses miss planes. Jurors get sick. Judges have to take children to doctor’s appointments. And everyone has conflicts in their schedules.
I don’t think this trial has to be much delayed based on what I’ve seen so far re complexity. But I think it will be. I’ve turned my attention to the January 6th/election interference D.C. cases for more swift justice in advance of the election.
There are 1000s of cases where a request for delay was denied. And 1000s where it was granted. Judge Cannon has almost complete discretion here
It’s a difficult balance. But over time, witnesses forget. So justice can be both slower and less just.
Over-extended attorneys are one issue. Attorneys should not be allowed to takes cases if they won’t have the time to devote to them full-time until the trial date.
In a typical trial with one defense attorney and one prosecutor, delay must be authorized if an attorney gets sick. But where there is a big team on both sides, as here, no. They should plan on someone getting sick. (And I expect the Trump team to ask for a delay on those grounds.)
For additional counts?
How often are additional counts added?
I agree that, in general, requests for delay are commonly granted and commonly denied.
Something one of the talking heads on MSNBC pointed out that I really liked is that the new guy who is now facing indictment hasn’t been seen out in public sharing cheesesteaks with Trump.
These guys have got to realize by now that if Trump goes to jail it will be a nice jail but they’re not going to be invited. It’s regular jail for them and a promise of a Trump pardon (if he wins the election) won’t keep them warm at night while they are in there.
" A former Trump White House lawyer said the evidence against the former president over his handling of classified documents was now “overwhelming” and would “last an antiquity”, after new charges were filed in the case on Thursday.
“I think this original indictment was engineered to last a thousand years and now this superseding indictment will last an antiquity,” Ty Cobb told CNN. “This is such a tight case, the evidence is so overwhelming.”"
i saw mr cobb yest. and he was cooking the goose. nearly all of the lawyers last night were not optimistic. mr weissmann pointed out the bit i mentioned above. page 31 at 91,
- Just over two weeks after the FBI discovered classified documents in the Storage
Room and TRUMP’ office, on August 26. 2022, NAUTA called Trump Employee 5 and said
words to the effect of, “someone just wants to make sure Carlos is good.” In response, Trump
Employee 5 told NAUTA that DE OLIVEIRA was loyal and that DE OLIVEIRA would not do
anything to affect his relationship with TRUMP. That same day, at NAUTA’s request, Trump
Employee 5 confirmed in a Signal chat group with NAUTA and the PAC Representative that DE
OLIVEIRA was loyal. That same day. TRUMP called DE OLIVEIRA and told DE
OLIVEIRA that TRUMP would get DE OLIVEIRA an attomey.
the government has a lot of detail of conversations. that is the paragraph that has the move to keep deoliveira in the “family”. also it looks like employee numer 5 will be quite the witness at the trail.
nearly all of the lawyers said they would be going for a plea deal, but of course trump will not do that.