Fear the Walking Dead series premiere tonight @ 9 (open spoilers

I would be interested in a show that took this show’s premise and worked it out rigorously and logically. It would be fascinating to see how such a disaster might begin, spread, and affect survivors.

But what I suspect is that the makers of this show aren’t interested in doing the hard work of asking “does this make sense? is this plausible? is this how it would probably go?” They have their huge fan base; all they have to do is sketch out some seat-of-the-pants teleplays, throw in a bunch of jump scares, and be sure to include enough heads being smashed in. That’s all that they need do–so that’s all they will do.

As one little example of what I suspect to be writerly laziness: We saw a mostly-empty school bus pull up to the high school where the husband-and-wife protagonists work. All anyone seems to know is ‘the flu is going around’…there has been no official advice to avoid contact with the blood or saliva of sick people, for instance, or to restrain/confine those who die.

Apparently, according to the post quoted below, hospital staff ARE being advised to restrain the dead…but for some reason, in this world, that is ultra-efficiently-kept secret information that no one in the world of FTWD is privy to or curious about or mentioning at home or…anything. Not a tweet, not a Facebook post…nothing.

So, back to this mostly-empty school bus. Presumably, about 45 or 50 kids–those usually on the bus–have been infected.

How did that happen?

It’s LA…basically middle-class suburban, from what we can see. Houses, not high-rises. It’s unlikely that the 45 or 50 kids all live in the same building.

So maybe they were all infected at school. If that’s the case, why wasn’t everyone at the school infected? What would have targeted those 45 or 50 but not the other 5 kids who did come to school on that bus (let alone all the other people who were still present at school on the day of the scene…?)

This appears to be a very slow-moving process—get sick and then at some point, days later (it would appear), “something” happens…but it hasn’t happened yet, or why wouldn’t anyone be talking about it? Worse, a lot of people will have died in Los Angeles of natural causes on that same day (the one with the scene of the bus arriving mostly empty). Why is it only the one junkie kid who encounters that one girl in the abandoned church? It’s true that the show is depicting only what happens to that one blended family, but if other people in L.A. are having such encounters, how could that be kept secret? Wouldn’t it be all over the Internet and the broadcast news?

To name only a couple of many aspects of the L.A. area that should be causing problems in the situation of the ‘reanimates the dead’ premise: what about all the hospices in the metropolitan area? What about the staff of those hospices, who would surely have been affected? Why isn’t that in the news? What about ambulances? Why aren’t they crashing all over the city as the people picked up turn, and then attack the ambulance crews? Why isn’t that in the news?
…By contrast, an extremely well-worked-out example of a disastrous infection-event–a pandemic–devastating the USA can be seen in the 2011 movie Contagion, written by Scott Z. Burns. Mr. Burns took the time to think through the likely course such an event would take to reach epidemic proportions. That particular work of fiction was the better for the pains taken to create a plausible story.

I wish we’d see a similar level of care in the writing of this new show, because it could be truly absorbing and intriguing. But I wouldn’t bet the mortgage money on it working out that way.

Jim doesn’t count as an example of spontaneously dying from zombie flu, agreed, but the idea being bandied about is that at zero hour, some percentage of people spontaneously get the zombie flu and die, becoming full-fledged zombies. I suggested this idea as a way to help explain how zombies might wipe out humanity, since the dribs and drabs of natural deaths wouldn’t even come close.

The mother show is irrelevant to this idea because all the spontaneous zero-hour zombie flu deaths would be over and done with weeks before Rick wakes up in the hospital.

EDIT: I cited Jim as an example that flu-like symptoms are related to zombieism.

Agreed, but it’s written by comic a book writer, so that’s probably asking too much. Story and plausibility is a distant second to looking “cool.” Witness Michonne’s pets.

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You’re certainly entitled to your opinion of how the producers, writers, and directors manage the characters on these shows. There are still three regular, line-speaking black characters on the Walking Dead and two are major/central characters. How many line-speaking blond women are left? One? How many children with lines? Two? How many senior citizens speaking lines? Zero? How many Asians with lines? One? How many Latinos with lines? Two? How many lesbians with lines? One? How many gay guys with speaking parts? Two?

After listening to the various decision-makers who have appeared on the Talking Dead, I’m left with the impression that there has been an effort to follow the comic book except when they didn’t feel like it. Might as well face it, if an actor is hired to play a minor part in an apocalyptic show, they aren’t going to survive long.

Since you’ve introduced this issue, I do not believe that the producers, writers, and directors must be driven by racist policy because a black character was written out of a show. All of the actors are fortunate that they will be able to add time spent on “The Walking Dead” to their resume. IMHO, of course.

Good point. :frowning:

The time frame for “Fear the Walking Dead” should be the same time frame as the first season of “The Walking Dead” - 2010.

And my daughter informs me there will only be 6 episodes for the first season of FTWD. Same as the first season of TWD. The 6th episode would air just before the 1st episode of the 7th season of TWD.

Hey, I never said a thing about racist policy. I simply invoked the trope “Black Dude Dies First.” In truth, I thought it was funny, as we kilt that black dude repeatedly and thoroughly!

That being said, I found it irksome about T-Dog. I thought he was an interesting character, played by a charismatic actor, who was given very little to do except add some color to the cast… and then die as soon as we get to another black guy. Seems to me they did pretty much the same thing to Noah. At least Tyreese got his own episode to add pathos to his death.

I can’t say I think it’s “policy,” racist or otherwise. I just think they could do better than that.

As for the school bus, I think the principal said something about a lot of people keeping their kids home from school because of the “flu” pandemic, and probably because of the viral video. I don’t think all those students have been infected, I think at this point a lot of people are starting to hole up in their homes waiting for whatever to pass.

StG

It’s certainly fun to speculate and think about it. It’s already quite the series.

They do go through a lot of Black Guys.
:rolleyes:

Well, they tried but he just ended up on the truck’s hood.

I could buy that, if the teleplay supported the notion that this ‘flu’ was being talked about obsessively in all media as something really out of the ordinary. That’s what would be true in real life, if a presumably-viral disorder were bad enough that 80-90% of kids were being kept home from school, and/or were actually sick. It would be wall-to-wall coverage.

But the show depicts just a few off-hand mentions of this more-serious-than-we’ve-ever-seen health issue–a couple of times, someone notices that there are fewer people around than usual, and someone says ‘it’s just that flu that’s going around.’ That’s not plausible. It should be all anyone is talking about…unless you count the fact that corpses are already reanimating. Somehow, incredibly, neither is much of “a thing” in the world of FTWD. No one is saying much, if anything, about these developments.

If they’d set this back in 1910 (instead of 2010, when it’s actually set), then the lack of focus on and discussion of these rather attention-grabbing stories might be plausible. News did travel more slowly in 1910. But even waaaaaaaaay back in 2010, we DID have 24/7 cable news and radio and cell phones and the Internet and, yes, Twitter. Why would no one be using these venues to speculate on why three-quarters or better of kids aren’t in school, not to mention noting that Grandma, who passed away last night, is now up and gnoshing on the family?

Because it would ruin the show. It’s the same problem TWD suffers from. If you use logic, reason and reality, the show can’t happen.

Just let the zombie-show eat your brain. It and you will be happier for it.

You don’t *look *Jewish. :confused:

My point is that with enough time and care devoted to working it all out, it could happen. You would need to grant one unlikely premise (an airborne virus that’s capable of reanimating humans whose hearts have stopped, for example). But from there you could–with enough ingenuity and application to the task–craft an exciting vision of how things could go down if that unlikely premise came to pass.

Instead, we’re going to get soap opera, contrived conflicts, and random head-bashings. sigh

Hey, it’s a universally-evocative term.

I actually hope the show is a huge hit, and years from now the two groups from the two shows meet.

How awesome would that be?

And Rick slaughters ever last one of them, because reasons.

I’d be okay with that if Carl then kills Rick, having come to the conclusion that Rick has firmly established himself as a liability. Carl then goes on, in the fullness of time, to become chief of the Great Northern Tribe.

I’ve been predicting that for several seasons. It would be awesome if ten years from now, TWD (and spin offs) are still going strong.