OK, thanks for the correction. Ignorance fought.
You can certainly make a case that some law enforcement action needs to be taken to confront protests that spiral out of control - some certainly have.
But when federal police power is used to intervene in what is typically the domain of local law enforcement, over the objections over locally-elected officials and law enforcement, the wise person demands an answer.
This is clearly not a case of the Bundy clan defying federal laws with armed resistance, occupying and destroying federal offices in the process. It’s a case of a local civil disturbance, and a minor one at that, and one in which federal authority was very clearly not requested.
Why? Because some people were “suspected” of vandalizing federal property. I guess it’s enough to be merely suspected of a crime without any evidence that would warrant a detention.
Re: number 2, I don’t think they can do so without some valid purpose. Jurisdiction alone isn’t enough. There are exceptions, such as traveling through ports of entry (i.e. international airports).
If it’s to enforce federal law, yeah, under certain circumstances, they can perform the same kinds of warrantless searches and temporary detentions that other law enforcement agencies can, meaning that if they have a reasonable suspicion that someone was involved in a crime or in the process of committing a crime.
As referenced earlier, there have been cases in which people have been stopped en masse, but that was in response to violent crime with the perpetrator believed to be at large and within a certain radius of the crime scene.
The 100-mile exception does not deal with jurisdiction. It is a zone in which CBP can perform search, seizure, or detention without a warrant.
The 100-mile exception zone is relative to external boundaries of the US such as coasts or land borders. It does not extend to internal boundaries such as airports.
ICE/CBP is a truly frightening entity in terms of what they can do to people at the border, and what they’ve shown their willingness to do. I believe the administration is trying to sow confusion as to where CBP is allowed to operate outside the law, and to get US citizens accustomed to seeing anonymous federal paramilitaries tossing people into unmarked vans.
I also believe they’re trying to attract some kind of hostile attack to justify increasing their reach.
He’s testing the waters for his plan to ‘dominate the space’, as he mentioned in one of his speeches. He’s testing to see if it binds cops together, and WITH him, if his base rallies around the police/feds and are with him, and how outraged the left is.
It it hits all the right notes, across the board, he’ll roll it out nationwide.
If it doesn’t fly, he’ll denounce all involvement, and fire somebody.
It’s what fascists do.
This isn’t a jurisdiction question, though. AFAIK, CBP/ICE has jurisdiction everywhere for purposes related to border or immigration enforcement, or if they happen to encounter a federal crime in progress.
The 100-mile exception is just the specific area where they perform no-warrant searches, seizures, and detentions. It doesn’t include airports, but they can perform warrantless searches at the designated border inside an airport (obviously, since customs/immigration couldn’t do their jobs if they needed a warrant to search every suspicious bag).
I’m not defending any of this, just pointing out the potential for overreach has always been there, just waiting to be exploited by an amoral dirtbag in search of powers to abuse. And pointing out that airports aren’t a border for purposes of the 100-mile exemption, though warrantless searches/seizures definitely do happen in international zones of the airport.
Understood (I think, lol).
I agree that with regard to federal crimes, CPB/ICE/FBI do have the authority to make arrests. There’s no question about this.
Just saying that they can’t just lock people up for the fuck of it, saying “I’m CPB.” There has to be a legitimate federal law enforcement capacity in which they’re acting. Pulling people off the street because they match the description of someone who vandalized a federal building, but the more they do this “because he was wearing a black shirt and stuff,” the less lawful the arrest.
Unfortunately, federal authority has a lot of immunity and power, which we’ve given the federal government in the name of “security” over the decades. If we’re not careful, we won’t realize until it’s too late that the greatest threat to freedom won’t be the Soviets or Al Qaeda, but ourselves.
Not only do they have immunity…the ease which they can escape most of these charges is laughable.
“We didnt ID ourselves?Yeah we did. Ask my buddy here.”
I think the endgame is: Without REALLY cracking heads, Trump will not be able to end the Portland protests, I don’t think he has the political will to do that. He would need to actually build holding pens in a park somewhere and shove them all into one. i don’t see it happening…so sooner then later they will withdraw to only protecting federal buildings.
Trump doesn’t need to be successful-He just has to wait until everything dies down(one way or the other) then claim credit.
And the Trumpettes will swallow that bullshit without a doubt.
I’m not worried. He could be the Prez in Independence Day and at this point he’ll still lose.
Just too much has happened. Pandemic-Riots (yes I think they’re connected)-return of pandemic (again yes i definitely think they’re connected)-him losing election. Then everything will settle down, pandemic will lessen and vaccine will be available in January (it will be more like a flu vaccine though then a polio one)
That is ONE definition of an “international airport”
But it misses Gary/Chicago International Airport which certainly has “international” in the name. While there are not customs agent on the field most of the time
Those are “airports of entry”, which yes, are international airports but it’s a bit more complicated than that. I refer you to page 5 of this PDF detailing how to safely cross into and out of US airspace from another country. “Landing rights airports” are as common as dirt in the US and there are far, far more of them than the big, major, commercial hubs - that is, in fact, what makes Gary/Chicago an “international” airport.
The big airports like Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, JFK, LAX, etc. do not want small airplanes clogging the place up, which is why you don’t actually have to go to those “airports of entry” if you’re general aviation, you can go to smaller alternates which, when used in that manner, are the proper jurisdiction of CBP. But that means just about any airport in the US could be described as “international” and with this administration, if they think it will be to their advantage, they of course will do that.
Meh - jurisdiction on any airport being used for entry/exit to the US at the time it is being used for such purpose (not at other times unless it’s an airport of entry).
But they didn’t ask me, either.
The intent is to intimidate those who stage anti-government protests.
Keep in mind, Trump is not alone. There are ideologues within the Justice department who have an equal level of contempt for anti-law enforcement protests and who hold the opinion that the Executive branch of government has supremacy over the other two. I’m not just talking about AG Barr, either.
But what’s particularly troublesome about Trump is that he is rapidly streamlining the government into a vertical chain of command, and a chain of command that operates on the basis of loyalty and shows little regard for decades of department policies and shows similar hostility toward court rulings.
Trump has radically transformed a culture of civil service that goes back to the 1880s, a culture that sought to greatly improve the performance of public agencies. But more than that, he’s weaponizing his power against critics and political opponents in ways not seen either before or since Nixon. And lest we forget, it is well documented that Trump is a Russian asset.
If Trump can’t win re-election, then he will do his best to retain power using illegitimate means. And if he can’t do even that, then he will do whatever he can to make sure that people have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the government going forward. He is the most dangerous president in the history of this country without question.
Well, yeah - why would Canada allow travel between their country and a country where covid-19 is out of control and more than one level of government is either hiding their head in the sand or, worse yet, seems to aiding and abetting the virus?
It says terrible things about my own country but I think Canada is in the right.
Well, not up until recently… I think this administration will try to argue that CPB can be used in this manner because it’s a law enforcement agency that seems willing to obey Dear Leader without question and further the agenda of the far-right, racists, and authoritarians.
^ This.
De jure - no, they can’t.
De facto - we’re moving very close to that.
Good to know. But I guess it doesn’t matter, as international airports do not extend CBP’s range. Thought that was the case that people were complaining about a few years ago as it pertained to immigration issues.
Don’t tell us-Tell Trump.
I wasn’t telling anyone, I was acknowledging that I was incorrect.
I’d far rather be incorrect on this point than to have Trump make me correct in the future.
And I don’t want to tell Trump anything, for fear of giving him ideas.
If CBP did declare that they international airports extend their range being able to detain without a warrant, what exactly could we do about it?
No, they did vandalize it, no doubt. Some pretty serious graffiti = which might just be classed as the lowest type of misdemeanor. Big deal.
Some people vandalized it. The people who were “black bagged” were not necessarily the same ones.
That is true. In fact at least one person detained wasnt even a protestor.
And the Portland PD did not request federal law enforcement. Deputy Police Chief Chris Davis said the feds made the job of local cops harder.
And here’s a question: Federal courthouses are protected by US Marshals. A few of the protestors broke windows in the Mansfield federal courthouse. A few tagged the building. And on July 4th, someone threw a small firework into the lobby, which started a small fire that was quickly extinguished. So OK, federal marshals might have called for a few more federal marshals. Is Trump saying the US marshals are so incompetent, they can’t protect a courthouse?
And one more question: AIUI, the protests are happening at night, when the courthouse is closed. They’re not preventing anyone from entering or leaving during operating hours, correct?