[QUOTE=Broomstick]
Aldebaran, je suis fatigue de votre insistance que les americaines sont ignorants et parler seulement un langue. VOUS, monsieur, sont aussi un bigot. Votre tete, elle est dans votre derriere.
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That should be “les Américains … parlent” and “VOUS… étéz”.
Face it, Aldebaran’s made much more of an effort learning English than you learning “French”.
So fucking what? What the hell do I care if your Dutch is better than my Swedish?
Aldebaran seems to enjoy poking the big bear with a rather irrelevant stick. Face it: when your mother tongue is English, there’s not a lot of need for a second language.
When it’s Arab or Flemish, a more wide-spread language might come in a lot handier. That’s not a measurement of intelligence - it’s an indication of necessity.
So: explain to me where you possibly make the connection between my remark that the chatbox girl clairobscur talks about probably only knows English and your remark which you obviously want to be read as
"I am tired of you insisting that all citizens of the USA are ignorant and only speak one language. You mister are a bigot. You head is in your *ss. "
Now maybe you live somewhere in a very remoted spot in the USA, but the truth is that the vast majority of the US citizens only knows English. Or do you have proof of the opposite. So yes, supposing that she only knows English is completely normal. And saying that if this is so, then that alone forms a limitation to gain insight in what happens outside the USA and especially what is published and said in public in languages she has no clue about is also absolutely normal.
Maybe you think everything that is ever written, said, published on this globe comes with an English translation but the reality is that it is not.
You are what you - in your clumsy use of a language you try pretend to have a clue about - said about me.
Now go crying about yourself because you are a bigot and go do that it in French to give yourself a first lecture. If you need help with that you only have to ask.
Salaam. A
Coldfire, I suppose you should first read my posts before commenting on the reactions of others on it. And in addition: before commenting yourself on them.
And by the way: I thought there was some rule here that only English is permitted? Seems to me it doesn’t count for those you chose to side with. Or is your French that bad that you think broomstick actually wrote in a weird English dialect. Somehow I don’t think so.
Salaam. A
Go ahead, poke an even bigger bear.
Yeah, the rule of thumb is that posts are to be made in English. However, exceptions can be made if the situation allowed for it. Clearly, Broomstick is trying to make a point, in response to your remarks about Americans speaking only one language. Whether I agree with that point or not, the use of French in this case is of demonstrable value to his/her point. Furthermore, my French is indeed good enough that I can decypher it. It’s not all that bad even, considering Broomstick is not a native speaker.
I remember when I told you to stop addressing me in Dutch. The difference was that in that case, electing Dutch over English served no clear purpose at all. If anything, it had the unintended effect of making you completely incomprehensible to 99% of the board. Again: without any added value.
See the difference?
Note that I wasn’t even making any judgment calls with regard to this thread and its topic. I just thought the umpteenth attack on Americans for the umpteenth inane reason was getting a tad stale.
Oh forgot:
So you actually also think that everything that is ever written, said, published on this globe comes automatically with an English translation.
(Lucky for you that you did not chose to become historian. That would cure you rather quickly from your illusion.)
Fact is that people who are only exposed to one language, no matter which on that is, have no acces to others. This automatically limits them in developping themselves, in exploring and researching and in dvelopping a broather worldview on no matter which issue.
It is not because English has the advantage to be the language in which many matters - and especially considering technology, science and related - is spread (which is still staggering because of the rapid spreading of internet use) that every wisdom and every knowledge on this globe comes automatically with an English translation.
English is not very useful if you want to read books and other publications written and published in other languages. Publications that add to your worldview or that are a necessity for your study or whatever. If you want to develop yourself, that is.
Concluding “English brings me all” because that is so easy for you if you are born into that language, is utterly shortsided and utterly stupid.
Salaam. A
[QUOTE=Coldfire]
Go ahead, poke an even bigger bear.
Yeah, the rule of thumb is that posts are to be made in English. However, exceptions can be made if the situation allowed for it. Clearly, Broomstick is trying to make a point, in response to your remarks about Americans speaking only one language. Whether I agree with that point or not, the use of French in this case is of demonstrable value to his/her point. Furthermore, my French is indeed good enough that I can decypher it. It’s not all that bad even, considering Broomstick is not a native speaker.
Ah I see. Using an other language to attack other posters is considered a situation that allows for it.Or what other “point” is broomstick trying to make then attacking me with clumsy use of a language most of the other posters can’t follow?
If I start writing now in Arabic or whatever do attack other posters, is that also making the point that you can attack people in no matter whcih language or what is the point?
Excuse me but the point is that you write here clearly that attacking people in other languages is allowed.
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I remember when I told you to stop addressing me in Dutch. The difference was that in that case, electing Dutch over English served no clear purpose at all. If anything, it had the unintended effect of making you completely incomprehensible to 99% of the board. Again: without any added value. [/quoteà)
hat is your intetpretation; It has nothing to do with if yes or no others could read it. It had to do with making myself clear in a language I master perfectly to someone who also masters it perfectly.
What other purpose is there between me using Dutch to make myself clear and broomstick using French “to make a point”?
The difference is that broomstick used it to attack me conceiling this for others including the modators.
As for the rest of your comment on my post : I repeat: read before commenting. You are jumping to assumptions and conclusions about a simple remark that would make you one lousy researcher of anything. I do hope research is not your business… For the business…
Salaam. A
[QUOTE=Coldfire]
Go ahead, poke an even bigger bear.
Yeah, the rule of thumb is that posts are to be made in English. However, exceptions can be made if the situation allowed for it. Clearly, Broomstick is trying to make a point, in response to your remarks about Americans speaking only one language. Whether I agree with that point or not, the use of French in this case is of demonstrable value to his/her point. Furthermore, my French is indeed good enough that I can decypher it. It’s not all that bad even, considering Broomstick is not a native speaker.
Ah I see. Using an other language to attack other posters is considered a situation that allows for it.Or what other “point” is broomstick trying to make then attacking me with clumsy use of a language most of the other posters can’t follow?
If I start writing now in Arabic or whatever do attack other posters, is that also making the point that you can attack people in no matter whcih language or what is the point?
Excuse me but the point is that you write here clearly that attacking people in other languages is allowed.
[quote]
I remember when I told you to stop addressing me in Dutch. The difference was that in that case, electing Dutch over English served no clear purpose at all. If anything, it had the unintended effect of making you completely incomprehensible to 99% of the board. Again: without any added value. [/quoteà)
hat is your intetpretation; It has nothing to do with if yes or no others could read it. It had to do with making myself clear in a language I master perfectly to someone who also masters it perfectly.
What other purpose is there between me using Dutch to make myself clear and broomstick using French “to make a point”?
The difference is that broomstick used it to attack me conceiling this for others including the moderators.
As for the rest of your comment on my post : I repeat: read before commenting. You are jumping to assumptions and conclusions about a simple remark that would make you one lousy researcher of anything. I do hope research is not your business… For the business…
Salaam. A
Yeah, the rule of thumb is that posts are to be made in English. However, exceptions can be made if the situation allowed for it. Clearly, Broomstick is trying to make a point, in response to your remarks about Americans speaking only one language. Whether I agree with that point or not, the use of French in this case is of demonstrable value to his/her point. Furthermore, my French is indeed good enough that I can decypher it. It’s not all that bad even, considering Broomstick is not a native speaker.
Ah I see. Using an other language to attack other posters is considered a situation that allows for it.Or what other “point” is broomstick trying to make then attacking me with clumsy use of a language most of the other posters can’t follow?
If I start writing now in Arabic or whatever to attack other posters, is that also making the point that you can attack people in no matter whcih language or what is the point?
Excuse me but the point is that you write here clearly that attacking people in other languages is allowed.
That is your intetpretation; It had nothing to do with if yes or no others could read it. It had to do with making myself clear in a language I master perfectly to someone who also masters it perfectly. on a board where said moderator attacked me joining the group of attackers and all while well knowing that English was not a language I master.
What other purpose is there for me using Dutch then to make myself clear? And what is the difference between that and broomstick using French “to make a point”? The difference is that broomstick used it to attack me conceiling this for others including the moderators.
As for the rest of your comment on my post : I repeat: read before commenting. You are jumping to assumptions and conclusions about a simple remark that would make you one lousy researcher of anything. I do hope research is not your business… For the business…
Salaam. A
I think I would prefer it if you did post in Dutch, alll things considered 
Sorry for the double posting.
But maybe now I am clear enough to be understood or what is not clear?
Salaam. A
I think it would be much better is I did not post at all.
Salaam. A
According to the US Census Bureau 18% of Americans speak a language other than English at home:
It would not surprise me if more than half of all Americans had some knowledge of a foreign language even if none is spoken at home (I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but I can think of a great many households with with I have personal knowledge where this is true-- many more where a foreign language is spoken at home).
I’ll try and keep looking for the actual numbers…
That would be interesting. Especially if it includes a study on how or for what that language or languages is actually used.
Salaam. A
Speaking of which at what point will you be retracting the bigot comment?
Broomstick is obviously using French to demonstrate that he/she is not limited to speaking one language. Your calling it “clumsy” is rather tacky, BTW - I don’t think a lot of people have criticised your command of the English language here, have they? Think about that for a second.
Furthermore, Broomstick is attacking you because this is the Pit, I’d wager.
I wouldn’t allow Arabic because I don’t speak it - using the very same logic, I will allow the occasional French post, if its use serves a clear purpose. Highly arbitrary, sure. But that’s the way it is.
No. There are two statements to be made here:[ul][li]Attacking people in the Pit is allowed.[*]Posts need to be made in English, unless the use of another language serves a demonstrable purpose. Furthermore, the moderators may still restrict such usage if they deem the language at hand is not known enough to them to be able to moderate it, or if they deem it seriously hinders the legibility of the thread to the board populace at large.[/ul][/li][quote]
That is your intetpretation; It had nothing to do with if yes or no others could read it. It had to do with making myself clear in a language I master perfectly to someone who also masters it perfectly. on a board where said moderator attacked me joining the group of attackers and all while well knowing that English was not a language I master.
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Dude, your English is fine. If you’re seriously convinced your grasp of the English language is insufficient, then I submit this board might not be for you. As for me disallowing you to use Dutch: see remark 2 above.
The added value: Broomstick is demonstrating (s)he speaks more than one language. Your use of Dutch may have been easy for you and me to read, but not very many others. I estimate the populace of the SDMB to be smart enough to understand at least the gist of Broomstick’s point, though. And guess what - it’s my call to make, not yours.
Nonsense. The primary purpose was obviously to demonstrate the poster’s capability to speak French, not to insult you. That was secondary. Furthermore, this is the Pit. She’s allowed to insult you here, within bounds. Her post, in French or English, did not cross the bounds we use.
I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. So far, I’ve only responded to remarks in this thread about how speaking one language is somehow a “limitation”. Oh, and I’ve stated the obvious about our rules a few times. True.
Hope this helps. Doubt it will.
it was broomstick who called me a bigot. So why don’t you ask broomstick to retract that.
There was nothing wrong with my posts whatsoever. You only need to read them, which means: also read the context.
But I do know that reading posts in context is not what certain people on this website are very good at. You could make an effort to give it a start though.
Salaam. A
Well you’ve had longer to recant. Besides if you have time to fuck up multiple posts, you have time to apologize
Bablefish Translator
Please forgive me for writing poor french
Veuillez me pardonner pour le Français faible d’écriture
Google Translator
Please forgive me for my poor french
Veuillez me pardonner pour mon Français faible
Now isn’t this interesting. See Broomstick clearly pointed out his/her inability to do accents. However both Bablefish and Google Translators include accents. I’ve simply pasted from those sites and note that the accents remain. So your accusation of Broomstick using those translators to “trick” us into thinking he/she may be able to write in French was premature. Possible but premature.
Does having a knee that jerks about like a crack addled weasel not get in the way of being a pompous ass?
Ik denk nog dit beter zou zijn in het Nederlands (en ja gebruikte ik babelfish) 