I made five posts in that thread in response to something you had written. The longest of these was a massive six sentences. The shortest was only eleven words. Hardly “quite a bit of the thread that spawned this” is it?
Here are all of my posts in that thread. Please point out where I said I supported the capturing of Jews in international waters and putting them in concentration camps.
It makes no reference to catching anyone in international waters. hell, it makes no reference to anyone being captured full stop. It is clearly referring to those that were found in the camps that were liberated.
Clearly I must have missed a post of mine somewhere where I said that I supported the rounding up of Jews, including those in international waters. Please point out where I did this. Seriously. Give me the link and, if you want to, the quote.
And to think I am the one being accused of telling lies.
It’s funny that you’re still utterly baffled as to why lying about me in order to flame me in GD might earn you a warning, especially in a thread where a mod had already said that any personal jabs at all, even if they weren’t normally against the rules. As for the rest of your mess:
No, you’re just clearly a weasel.
You said “every single person” in the camps. The people in Poppendorf were people were, guess what, in one of the camps. So were the people in Cyprus.So yes, by saying that “every single person” who was in the camps you are explicitly supporting the treatment of everybody, including those who were captured in an act of piracy on the high seas in which the British murdered murdered three people by beating them to death and captured 4000+ Jews to imprison them, as well as the 10’s of thousands who were captured and imprisoned in Cyprus. Your position is diseased enough to claim that Holocaust survivors fleeing Europe should be thankful to the British for being captured and imprisoned without charges and prohibited from emigrating to the only place on the planet that would have them.
You just want to deny it now, after saying that “every single person” should be happy to be in the camps. You’re just trying to backpedal.
You can’t even bring yourself to definitely condemn capturing 10’s of thousand of Jews and imprisoning them for the ‘crime’ of immigrating to a land that the UNSCOP had certified. And for opposing that immigration because of alliances with the Arab powers who were about to wage a war of annihilation. You can’t even bring yourself to say that the capture of the Exodus was wrong, just that it might possible not have been okay. For fuck’s sake, just have a bit of moral courage here and say that, yeah, some of the British policies were truly repulsive.
So what is it, Finn Again? Were you telling a lie when you alleged that I supported the rounding up of Jews in international water, can you find different “proof” of me supporting this or are you a time traveller?
Anyways, of course your disingenuous dodge of “time traveling” is easy to puncture. You “accidentally forgot” to cite the original post you were responding to as well as the the follow up, the one where I made it quite clear that we were also talking about capturing Jews and imprisoning them as I’d mentioned “camps”. Even the original one talked about “camps”. And even your defending using Bergen Belsen to imprison Jews still means that you were defending imprisoning the Jews there.
You later not only didn’t retract, but stated that you couldn’t continue the conversation because you were baffled about why lying in order to flame me in GD was frowned upon. You then went on to, explicitly, say that every single person in the camps (obviously including the ones captured and imprisoned) should be glad of it. You are a very fucked up person Amanset. You claim that I was wrong about you, even though in context it’s clear I was correct, and then you go on to repeat the exact thing you claim you never implied with your original response. And you claim that since you confirmed my interpretation, explicitly with your own words, after I explicitly made my accusation, that shows I’m lying about you and time traveling. Meshugena.
You claimed I supported the capturing of Jews in international waters and putting them in camps.
Your proof of me having this view was posted several hours after you accused me of having that point of view.
Please cite the relevant post where I said I supported such actions before you made the accusation.
I, of course, asked for this in my previous post but you seem to have accidentally forgotten to include it.
I don’t give a crap about what happens later. I want to know why you accused me of supporting the rounding up of Jews in international waters and putting them in camps.
*Still waiting for you to show a glimmer of morality.
Any time now. Surprise me.
*
As for your continued lying, no, you’re claiming that my "proof’ was when you admitted what I’d already said (in the same breath as you stupidly tried to deny it). Of course, as you’re pretty worthless, you don’t want to talk about what you said “later”, because what you said “later” was to explicitly confirm what I’d just said your position was, and to do so in your own words.
Yet again, stop playing dumb. Read the very post you quoted to see the actual proof. You just quoted it, you can at least read it. Right now you’re on Elv1s level behavior.
I already explained why your response to my original mention of camps (plural) and lack of response to my elaboration on just who was in many of those camps and why, indicated what your response meant in context. Then you went on to explicitly confirm that view, right here. What the fuck game are you playing at? If you take issue with my explanation, then challenge it. Don’t just repeat your same stupid question again.
You’re now, inexplicably, using the fact that you confirmed what I said, and did so in your own words, to show how I was wrong to say that’s what you were arguing for in the first place.
For those reading along, yet again, this is the context of the original posts:
Amanset’s tried to skirt the issue, in this thread, and claim that he only attempted to try to justify imprisoning Jews in Bergen Belsen, even though I’d clearly pointed out that the context was camps, plural, and the British policy of stopping Jews and imprisoning them in camps, plural. (As if justifying imprisoning Jews in only one camp is cool, but five is just beyond the pale).
Amanset claims that it was okay, because the British were just “housing” Jews in Bergan Belsen, and, anyways, it’s not like there was lots of available real estate. He also lies and says that his response was about Bergen Belsen, only.
Again:
Astute readers will note Amanset’s lie in this thread, as he was clearly replying to a comment about camps, plural, and not just BB. He was also talking about “the Jewish refugees”, plural, not only the prisoners of the British at Bergen Belsen.
He deliberately dodged the fact that they were imprisoning Jews there, and that they could have let them emigrate to Palestine, which would have accepted 100% of those who wanted to go there. I went on to elaborate, in detail. He then offered no retraction of his previous statement, and instead fled the thread, baffled at why he wasn’t allowed to lie and flame me in GD. Then he got all huffy and denied what his claim, in context, meant… before reiterating the exact thing here that he claimed I’d made up. It takes a special kind of person to claim he’s being unfairly accused of holding a certain view while repeating that view.
Firstly, I posted the link to my post. So people could go to it. That post included your quote. In doing this I have gone further than you of late. At least I give links.
That is all this is about. That is all I said. Note the references in your original post to Berg-Belsen. Note the lack of referencing anyone being rounded up and captured in international waters. Note that fact that I actually said very little.
Regarding your anger at me not retracting anything, you are neglecting to mention that I didn’t post anything else in the thread full-stop.
I made my post at “03-16-2010, 11:53 PM” according to the date/time above the post. That’d be CET. My guess is that I watched some TV, maybe read something else and then went to bed. Your first response was at “03-17-2010, 12:56 AM”. I’m normally trying to be getting ready for bed at that time. Apologies for not staying up to all hours in the middle of the night so as to respond to you.
The next time I checked the thread I found out I’d been given a warning and so I posted this:
A very simply, short statement as to why I am no longer posting in the thread. It was made at “03-18-2010, 02:52 PM”, which meant I was at work. Apologies for not putting aside by job so as to answer you. I fully understand that you are more important than my continued employment.
So no, I didn’t retract anything or deal with your posts because I didn’t see them until I had received the warning, at which point I decided to stay out of the thread. This, apparently, means that I support the rounding up of Jews in international waters and putting them in camps for years.
And to think that I am the one that is apparently morally perverted, sick, one who lies and whatnot. Not to mention that you managed to bring my Mother into it, referring to her as a “Bitch”.
The date/time on my computer states that you posted that at 05:28 PM on 2010-03-26. It was post number 211 in that thread.
Please give me a direct link to a post where I state that I support the rounding up of Jews in international waters and putting them in camps that was posted either before post number 211 in that (ie. this) thread OR was posted before 05:28 PM on 2010-03-26. That time refers to how my computer will represent it, I suggest you check how your computer represents the time as you live in a different time zone.
It really is very, very simple. You go to the post in the thread and click on the number to the top right of the post. That directs you to page where just that post is displayed. You can then copy+paste the webpage address for that page.
That’s all you need to do. Very simple. Then we’ll take it from there, OK?
Why yes, as also noted by previous posters, history teaches us that Poland was a terrific place for Jews to live, and they undoubtedly would have been welcomed back with open arms.
*"Before World War Two three million, three hundred thousand Jewish people lived in Poland, ten percent of the general population of thirty-three million. Located mostly in urban areas, large Jewish communities had flourished in Poland since the Middle Ages, maintaining their own language, culture, religious and social institutions, distinct and separate from the Polish culture around them. Despite their long history on Polish soil, many Poles regarded Jews as foreigners living in their midst.
By the 1920’s and '30’s the majority of Polish Jews were living in varying degrees of poverty, the result of the overall poor economy of the newly independent Polish state, compounded by government sanctioned anti-Jewish measures such as a 1938 law revoking the citizenship of Polish Jews living abroad. Jews had limited access to Polish universities and professions. They lived in a general climate of anti-semitism which not infrequently flared into violent pogroms. So even before the Nazi occupation, Jews in Poland were isolated from the mainstream and in a poor position to defend themselves against the extremely severe measures that were to follow…The German program for Polish Jews was one of concentration, isolation, and eventually, annihilation. Initially they forced the Polish Jews from the annexed territories and from all rural and smaller urban areas into large, overcrowded urban centers. Now in large concentrations, they isolated them from Polish society into sealed ghettos–walled-off cities within cities–where they had to endure appalling living conditions…By 1942, Poland was the Nazi regime’s dumping ground for Jews from all over Europe; first the Polish ghettos, and then the concentration camps being the destinations for Jews rounded up in every Nazi-occupied country.
By the end of the war, over three million Polish Jews were dead, with only fifty to seventy thousand surviving."*
I can’t imagine any Jews not wanting to return to a place with such happy memories. In fact, in my family we always blamed my paternal grandfather for emigrating from Poland to the U.S. and denying us the chance to grow up in the motherland.
Alright, sarcasm off. Elvis, try studying a little history before spouting off so ignorantly.
Still waiting for you to show a glimmer of morality.
Any time now. Surprise me.
Seriously, why don’t you, as I’ve been asking for several posts now, get a bit of morality and just say that, yeah, what the British did was simply wrong, no two ways about it. Why is that so hard?
It is, you’re just a very, very dishonest person. I just explained, above, what you were responding to in context, that it wasn’t just about Bergen Belsen but all the camps, that it included a reference to capturing and imprisoning Jews, and that your own response at the time specifically referenced the Jewish refugees as a whole (obviously including those who were captured) and not just the BB prisoners. Your dodge is infantile and transparent. And you’re either stupid or trolling, as I’ve made clear what your response meant in context, and your demand for a context free quote where you just came right out with your view rather than responding to me is a request for a post you know doesn’t exist, and which I never claimed existed.
To say nothing of the filthy behavior in which you claim you don’t hold a position and I’m lying, then you go on to reiterate the same position you just claimed you didn’t hold. And your whole argument here rests on the fact that, sure, you confirmed what I’d said about you and i was right about you, but you explicitly confirmed it after I made the accusation in this thread, so it’s totally off the table
And now you’re quoting my text and then immediately lying about it, in the same post.
Anyways:
I just quoted the full post you were responding to, again, and you go and snip out some of it and pretend that’s the whole thing. Are you addicted to dishonesty or something?
And other camps. And you didn’t say you were talking about only BB, although of course now you’d like to say that, although that still leaves you a moral-pervert who’s trying to serve as an apologist for imprisoning Jews who wanted to emigrate to a place that would accept them.
Even if you didn’t post anything else in the thread, you still wouldn’t have retracted your views. Which, yet again, you went on to confirm in this thread.
Seriously, I’m not sure if you’re on Elv1s territory or if you’re just having a laugh at my expense, but I’ve had enough.
You really are a disgusting person.
I’m done with you and honestly, you can have the last word if you’d like to lie some more or dishonestly cut some of my quotes or lie about what they contain, or whatever. Happy trails, you silly son of a bitch.
Well ages ago I said that I thought SS Exodus may have been a mistake. I said “may have” as we don’t know what would have happened if they’d been allowed to get to Palestine. Maybe it was a lesser of two evils thing, a phrase I used when i posted about it maybe being a mistake.
I honestly think there is nothing to retract. I have never claimed that the Jews rounding up Jews in international waters was right. I have made a lot of comments about Bergen-Belsen though, something which you are trying ever so hard to extend to all Jews everywhere.
So it looks like you’re not going to give me a link to where I stated that the rounding of Jews in international waters was right BEFORE you claimed that I had said it.
Fair enough. Just don’t be surprised when people call you out on your shenanigans.
I mean, is it really that hard to post a link? You do know about the stigma of being publicly accused of anti-semitism?
I am reporting this post again. I do not take kindly to you yet again referring to my Mother as a bitch.
But that’s exactly the problem.
Elvis has studied a little history and damned if he’s going to study any more! He’s walking proof of the old statement that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Those who are curious, by the way, should note that not only was Poland a tremendously anti-Semitic country before WWII, and not only did they help round up the Jews during WWII, they were still killing Jews after the war ended.
A relative of one of our family friends was also murdered after the war. One of only two surviving children from a very large family, he and his sister returned to Poland after the war and while he was out one day riding his bicycle, someone shot him in the back. His sister later made her way to America.
Wasn’t just Poland and wasn’t just Jews either, comrade.
Fair enough, although arguable. But Finn’s belief that they had nowhere else to go but Palestine is no better grounded.
Of course, that’s my point. Tell Finn. Jackmanii, don’t you think the situation in Europe might have been slightly different after the war than before and during it? Just a little? Please.
You’re calling the writer of the essay Captain Amazing linked to a liar? And CA some other of your favorite invectives? He’s on YOUR side, you fool. :rolleyes:
Or are you just too fucking resistant to anything that challenges your belligerently defended worldview to actually read it?
Elvis, you can’t read English without major misunderstandings, and you’re a thoroughly dishonest debater. Casxe in point, you still haven’t retracted your stupidity Poppendorf being French. Or, well, much of your other stupidity over the years, come to think of it.
No, you are a liar, the author of that essay never said what you’re claiming. Nowhere did it say that Jews were trying to break into the camp, you just made that up. What the author did actually say is that there was Jews living there who were not officially registered as DP’s and were there illegally as a result, not that people were breaking in or, as your absurd fiction claimed, that they had guards there to make sure that the Jews didn’t all stage a daring break-in.
Likewise, it’s already been cited to you that the British did indeed have a policy preventing free emigration from the camp, that you were stupid enough to suggest Jews go back to Poland, that you’re ignorant enough to claim that Poland after the war was somehow significantly better for Jews than during it, etc… Yes, for most of the residents of the camps, while America and most other nations were still barring their doors, Palestine was the only place to go. And more importantly, Britain was keeping them prisoners unless they wanted to go to the ‘correct’ places, like Poland,
Idiot.
Quote the relevant passage. You’ve already proven that you can’t fucking read.
Got a retraction yet that Poppendorf was French, speaking of why nobody should trust a word that comes out of your mouth?
