Of course, Red really is a racist even though the OP for this thread is awful. And unless I miss my guess, this is the second time Red has taken a personalized title due to someone objecting to the fact that he’s a racist. It’s almost as if he takes some sort of pleasure out of trying to upset people who don’t like anti-Semitism, and then wears it as a badge of honor that he got some good ol’ Jew baiting done. Thank you Clowny, who’d have thought that you might charge in bravely to defend the rights of racists everywhere (as long as I say something bad about them first, naturally). The reason Israel “cannot be rationally discussed around here” is probably due to all that lying and willful ignorance, and not me pointing it out. I know you’re just a troll, but in case those reading along might not know how easily you troll, often claiming that I never criticize Israel in threads right after I’ve posted, criticizing something about Israel, this is what I actually think about what’s “Right with Israel”. Oh yah, in addition to you being a liar and a troll, you’re also a racist shit. As pointed out, you have gone on record accusing every person in the US government who you could recall whose named sounded Jewish, including one Orthodox Greek man, of being potential traitors. When challenged on what exactly the basis for your claims were, other than that you thought they were Jews, you never could answer but lied a lot and said that you had. Strangely enough, you never could quote where you’d identified your process of reasoning for ferreting out potential Traitor Jews other than that they were people in American politics, and you thought they were Jews. Stupid fucking racist, how does it feel to know that not only is your hatred impotent, but no matter how much you hate, Jews will still be treated as full class American citizens and those who go into politics won’t be subjected to loyalty tests? Must really rankle, when you’re sober enough to notice, eh? Don’t worry, I’m sure one day you’ll win the good fight and any Jew who dares enter politics will be properly screened for Jewish Treachery. Yep, naming everybody in the US government one can remember whose names ‘sound Jewish’ and accusing them all of being potential traitors due to that Jewishness is not racist. And Red can point out exactly why he accused all those folks of being potential traitors, and it’s totally not that they are Jews and he’s a racist. And really he’s explained somewhere what his process of reasoning was, other than that he’s a racist and they are Jews, and he can cite it at a moment’s notice, honest. But really hey look over there!!! Thank you for trolling Giraffe, I appreciate it. Now, if you’d care to stop, please identify how I’m wrong and Red’s act of naming everybody in the US government he could think of whose names sounded Jewish, and accusing them all of potentially being traitors due to Dual Loyalty, isn’t the act of a racist. I know, I get it. You’ve stated that you don’t care if the accusations I’ve leveled are true, you just don’t like the fact that I made them and choose to troll me about them whether or not they’re true. It’s a little like walking into a cat convention and then going insane and spazzing out because someone keeps talking about cats, while you spit, gnash your teeth and declare that you don’t give a fuck if it’s accurate or not, you’re just pissed off that they’re using the word 'cat" so damn much. I understand that trolling folks in real life like that would probably get you arrested, so you troll here instead. It’s charming and oh so quaint, but try not trolling for this thread, okay? Bonus points, though, for the troll strategy of lamenting the use of the word troll before you start trolling. That’s almost as original as folks lamenting being called liars before they make shit up. Almost as intelligent, too. Any time now, explain why naming everybody in the government that someone can think of off the top of their head whose name sounds Jewish, and accusing them all of potential Dual Loyalty based on nothing other than their perceived Jewishness (and, in fact, retracting one accusation of treachery simply because someone was revealed not to be a Jew) isn’t a racist thing to do. Or just troll me about how I’m calling someone who is a racist, a racist. Surprise me buddy. Speaking of how you’re a liar and a racist, you said in GD that you’d (finally) answer how you came up with a list of a bunch of Jews (and one Greek guy) and accused them all of not being real patriots and having Dual Loyalty, just in a forum that’s not GD. But here, you just use it as bait to try to get people to respond, and then gloat about how you made them type. As you’re neither a racist, nor a troll, make good on your claim that you’re willing to discuss the non-racist (honest!) reasons why you named all those Jews are traitors to the nation. Any time now would be good. Now, why don’t you identify the factual error in pointing out why naming everybody in the government that someone can think of off the top of their head whose name sounds Jewish, and accusing them all of potential Dual Loyalty based on nothing other than their perceived Jewishness (and, in fact, retracting one accusation of treachery simply because someone was revealed not to be a Jew) isn’t a racist thing to do. Because, of course, you can point out a lack of veracity and you’re not just trolling, right? Shot From Guns, you are invited to stop trolling too and answer the question too. I know, Giraffe is trolling and Red is a racist, and I pointed those facts out. It’s awful! You might even get a case of the vapors. But before you keel over, stop trolling and identify the factual error. Go for it. Or troll, I suppose. “That fucker keeps talking about cats at the cat convention, ayieeieieieieieie!!!” You’re trolling because you know full well that the accusations of racism and/or bigotry I’ve leveled are based on things people have actually said, like Red accusing everybody in the US government whose names ‘sounded Jewish’ to him, of being traitors to the nation. You’re also trolling because you know that I’ve never said that someone simply disagreeing with me was “racism”. Again, you just don’t like me correctly pointing out if someone is a racist, and you’ve decided to pick a fight over it. Textbook trolling. Lucy claimed that something was “venom over veracity”. The reason he did that is because he’s an intellectual prostitute with a grudge against me because he’s an idiot and a clown, and yep, someone who’s said that it’s perfectly reasonable to look at Jews as potential traitors the way we did at International Communists during the Cold War while concern trolling about how much he cares about Israel or the Jews, or whomever (feel free to troll that point too, Giraffe). He’s defending Red, or rather angrily nibbling on my ankles, not because I’m wrong or he even thinks I’m wrong, but because he’ll come to the defense of pretty much anybody I disagree with. Again “I know that I’m wrong on the facts, but I’d like to start a fight over them.” is pretty much textbook trolling. And Lucy diverting the topic to ‘grammar’ was because he’s lied and claimed that my statements lacked veracity. When challenged to show how they were in the least bit false, he responded by changing the subject with a throwaway insult. “I know I was lying in order to insult you, but rather than admit that I’d like to insult you about something else to try to pick a fight on that topic.” is, again, pretty much textbook trolling. Let me guess, uppity negroes are also responsible for people who hate blacks, eh? Yeah, you’re a decent human being alright. In keeping with your trolling pattern, you’ve started lying about me before whining about how I point out that people are lying. Of course I never said that “the only reason someone would make fun of me” was anything. You made that up in order to troll me. Specifically, you are trying to annoy me because I pointed out that Red Fury is an anti-Semite. Instead of even addressing whether or not Red is a racist, you’re simply trolling me for stating the fact that he is. Now, as you seem to be feigning stupidity for some reason, I’m not saying that you’ve turned into a spastic retard because Red is a racist and I pointed it out, but because you’ve evidently got a few verbal triggers that turn you into a raving asshole and words like “[color=“red”]bigot[/color]” or “racist” make you lose your mind, even if they’re accurate. Given that you’ve lied several times in this post, alone, it’s rather retarded of you to assume I’d take you at your word. You’re trolling me because you’ve decided that whenever I call a racist a racist, or a liar a liar, or a troll a troll, that you’ll troll me. And you don’t even pretend to show that I’m wrong for using those labels, you just try to pick a fight due to the simple fact that I use them. That’s the long and the short of it. You’re also lying on this point, as even after repeated challenges, you cannot show a single thing that I’m wrong about. So your bullshit about “making a persuasive point” is negated by the fact that you can’t, or won’t, show a single argument on the subject of Israel that I’ve made that is logically or factually lacking. You’re just trolling. This is, of course, just another bit of your trolling. You want to lie and claim that you don’t care whether or not my claims are accurate, and then you want to claim that they’re inaccurate and I don’t even know what the words mean, and then you use an analogy comparing the factual claims I make (like Red is a racist, which you’re still ignoring in order to troll me) to a lunatic saying that Starbucks is fascist. You want to claim that you don’t know or care whether or not my claims are accurate, then you want to claim that they’re inaccurate, then you want to claim that they’re so inaccurate they’re insane. The question, of course, being were you lying and trolling then or are you lying and trolling now? I suppose, to be fair, you might’ve been lying and trolling in both cases. In any case, on the subject of your spastic fits, there are several possibilities. I can be right and a small handful of people on the Dope make a habit of lying and trolling, and a few bigots and racists gravitate to subjects where they get to attack Jews and/or Israel. I can be wrong in some cases, and right in others. I can be wrong in all of them. I might use those words which flip your switch and send you into a tard rage so often because, go figure, subjects that have to do with Jews and the Jewish state might just attract people who have a problem with Jews or who put ideology ahead of honesty and militant, willful ignorance ahead of all that boring prerequisite learning and fact checking. But in order to show that I’m wrong you, ya know, have to show that I’m wrong. You’ve got no interest in that, at all. You’re just trolling. Happy trolling, bitch. Find a new hobby. You seem to have picked up the pattern of this trolling little pileon, down to lying about what I’ve said while complaining about me pointing out when people are lying. Good for you. Of course, as you’re just trolling, you too haven’t shown I was wrong about anything. Naturally, you’re also lying in order to troll on a whole bunch of points, like how I only called Red an anti-Semite for saying anit-Semitic stuff, but “everybody” who disagrees with me is an anti-Semite. It’d a good clue that you’re trolling when you’re using such obvious lies to base your insults on. Tell you what, disprove my claims, show anywhere at all that you’ve actually rebutted the substance of my accusations rather than trying to pick a fight simply because I made them. Or suggest a way that I could have pointed out the fact that Red is an anti-Semite in a way that wouldn’t have tripped your Freak Out! button. Do tell, what would the acceptable and ‘non-off-putting’ way have been to have pointed out the fact that Red is an anti-Semite. How about the fact that he’s a liar, is that fact “off-putting” too? (Not that you’re trying to troll me to shut down certain words or accusations, it just looks that way) Should be pretty easy for you, seeing as how wrong I am and you’re not really trolling and simply flipping out over the use of certain words, such that if I call an anti-Semite like Red, an anti-Semite, you’ll try to jump my shit. You’re not really going to freak out any time I point out that someone who’s a racist, is a racist. Because it would be acceptable to you to point out that someone is anit-Semitic, or bigoted, or lying, or trolling in [Circumstance X] with [Phrasing Y]. Can you even identify what those circumstances and phrases are? Someone makes a true statement, you troll them and flip out, trying to give them grief while flinging shit. Seems like a pretty good analogy. There’s no actual reason why pointing out that a racist is a racist is any more “off-putting” than pointing out that coffee is coffee. And no shit it was “derivative”. I pointedly changed your analogy so that it actually had something to do with reality; it was calling a thing what it is, rather than calling unfair labor practices “fascism”. Your comparison was that someone was claiming that Starbucks was “fascist” because of “unfair trading policies with Guatemala”. What I’ve actually done is, for example, said that Red is an anti-Semite for saying anit-Semitic stuff (something you still haven’t touched on, just trolled me for saying). What is your acceptable ‘non-off-putting’ way to call an anti-Semite an anti-Semite… that wouldn’t send you off the deep end? An accurate analogy would be something like: A man walks into a meeting of the American Fascist Movement and says “you guys are fascists”. Then a guy, secure in his anonymity, starts screaming “Fascist, fascist, you said the word fascist! You’re acting like a crazy person! You’re so off-putting! All the members of the AFM say you’re frothing at the mouth, don’t you get it?!?” It’s a slur used to defend the fact that their own behavior brings down valid criticism. It is, in a very real sense, baiting. Just like people who lie in a post, preface it with “and gee look, Finn is so kreeeezy that he says people are lying!” People who are dishonest, willfully ignorant, racist and/or bigoted have their “and gee look, Finn is so kreeeezy that he objects to people who are dishonest, willfully ignorant, racist and/or bigoted.” And with the help of trolling like yours, the focus gets shifted from the fact that one of the coterie is a racist or is being dishonest or what have you, to the wild crazy and totally off-putting… facts. Care to, finally, address why it’s beyond the pale to point out that it’s racist for someone to name everybody in the US government that they can think of, whose names sound Jewish to them, and accuse them all of a lack of patriotism and dual loyalty? Care to state what ‘acceptable’ way you’d graciously allow? Otherwise it’s pretty clear that you’re just trolling to try to shout me down, just like someone freaking out at the mention of Driving While Black. “DWB, DWB, DWB! He said DWB!! It’s so off-putting!!!” Rather obvious dishonesty, don’t you think giraffe? Naw, silly me. The discussion we were having really was like whether something is “amaretto” or “coffee”. Why, you probably really did disagree and say that it wasn’t “racism” it was “subconscious prejudice”. It was truly a discussion over nuance, like amaretto vs coffee. I’m sure I can find that post somewhere, since you are an honest kind of guy. As you are honest, surely the discussion was not whether “someone a racist” or “you’re crazy and have no connection with reality because you said someone is a racist!” You can’t and won’t show that my accusation against Red, which was the cause of your present freakout, was false in any way, shape or form. You freaked out simply because I made the accusation. You don’t even want to try to show how it’s wrong, simply freak out because it’s been made. You claim you’re not trolling me to try to shut down certain comments because they trip some sort of linguistic Freak Mode switch in you and that they’re just “off-putting”, but you can’t identify what a “non-off-putting” way of saying them is, or why if they’re true it sends you into Freak Mode. And you keep claiming that they’re somehow inaccurate or overused without once addressing their factual basis. So any accusation gets you to freak out, whether or not it’s true, simply because it’s made.
