Fit mom posts Facebook pic along with her 3 kids asking 'What's your excuse?' - Firestorm ensues

Read post 70 and 104 for some perspective.

I think the majority of people aren’t offended at all. Does the Bo Jackson commercial offend you?

That’s mean.

I couldn’t tell you what she really thinks. And I don’t think all fat people are lazy and worthless. I do think on average they are lazier than fit ones, and research bares that out, but it seems I’m a big jerk if I mention that.

I showed my girlfriend and she said the add proved you could look good after children. So I guess it does inspire some. Poster of #104 seemed inspired didn’t she?

Who backpedals in a headwind? You’re not much of a bike rider, are you? :slight_smile:

FYI … she owns two elder care nursing homes.

I really don’t see the link between what she did and “potential clients”.

It seems to me that most people are just mildly irritated, not offended. Or at least, that’s how I feel about the thing.

There’s so much fat-shaming in our society that most fat folks, I imagine, are already quite desensitized to it. They wouldn’t be able to function otherwise. But that doesn’t mean little stuff doesn’t still work a nerve.

Both of those cites deal with preadolescents. Therefore, not applicable to this woman. This woman is also known to delay gratification. She has been described as “[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]<name>, who waits in the shadows with terrible patience, carefully honing The Unending Cosmic Hurt.”[/SIZE][/FONT]

I’m a self-profressed gym rat, but when it comes to being in shape, or at least healthy, it seems to break down mostly into two camps. The first group is people who either are or have been in shape in their life or have being in shape or improving their health as a goal. They look at someone like her, and they think “if she can do it, so can I” and they’re inspired. The second group are people who don’t have that as a goal, and it either seems ridiculous or outright offensive to them.

As such, there’s a few things to keep in mind. First, the fitness industry is largely aimed at the first group. Fitness magazines, supplement retailers, fitness equipment manufacturers, they assume that the people are already interested in fitness. I fully expect that the image in question here was aimed at women, and possibly some men too, who were once in shape but lament that they aren’t in shape anymore now that they’ve had kids. For those people, seeing someone who is in great shape after having three kids recently is inspiring. If you just did general exercising and didn’t follow the industry, or never really cared about fitness at all, well, other than hearing about this controversy, how else might you have even seen the image? Why would you be reading a fitness magazine or visiting the website of someone in the fitness industry unless that was your interest? You’re not the intended audience, and you’re not likely to be interested in whatever they’re selling so, really, why should they care what you think?

Second, in saying all of that, though I do prioritize my own fitness, whatever your priorities are are your choice and it’s not necessarily inherently right or wrong to prioritize your fitness or not. But, again, it’s aimed at people who have prioritized it. I could easily imagine something similar in, say, a computer industry magazine saying the same about not keeping up on the latest languages or technology. If it’s a priority for you to learn the latest technology, then it’d be inspiring to see someone who has hardships able to do it, if not, your response ought to be that you don’t care, perhaps as simply because you’re not in the industry.

So, sure, if you have other obligations, or you prioritize other things in your life higher, that’s absolutely your right, that’s really all the thought this sort of image should invoke. Beyond that, I just don’t get the outrage here, talking about her personal failings, or that it’s part of her job, or whatever. Why does it matter? You do your thing, and she does hers.

That all said, I would like to see the fitness industry be a bit more inviting because I think most people could benefit a little bit more inspiration on getting in shape for any number of benefits. I try to make an effort to be helpful and realistic about that sort of stuff when people approach me and ask about it. But, unfortunately, in the end, all we’re seeing is the same regurgitated garbage that any industry that takes itself too seriously does. A random fitness magazine always has the hot new workout tips, the new supplements that will give you a better pump or help burn more fat, and an interview with some body builder or athlete. How is that any different from a women’s magazine showing 10 secrets to please your man in bed and an interview with some famous actress or musician, or a men’s magazine with 7 hints on picking up hotties at the bar and an interview with some model. It’s exactly the same extreme sort of the demographic, just aimed at fitness nuts instead.

I didn’t read the entire thread so forgive me for perhaps rehashing something that may have already been mentioned.

All of this backlash baffles me. From my understanding (fairly fit, nothing spectacular 21 y/o), being fit (or at least not severely overweight) is an ideal image. As an analogy, nobody chooses to be unhappy; nobody chooses to be ugly; no one chooses to be unsuccessful. Perhaps you choose something that leads to those situations but would you choose those qualities directly? I feel the same way about being severely overweight or obese. If I had a magical choice to have any body type I wouldn’t choose to be severely obese. My choice would be more towards hers’ in terms of fitness.

Would you agree that being more fit is ideal? I do. In that case, why am I not doing it? I have an excuse: I have an answer to her question. I am not insulted by a question that I already have an answer to, it is something I think about without prompt.

As an answer to what I have seen some other people mention in this thread; what is my excuse for not doing/being XYZ? My reason is that I don’t care to be those things. Do you care to be more fit than you currently are? If you don’t, then this advertisement probably doesn’t apply to you.
ETA: Perhaps all advertisements need to come with the disclaimer: “If you don’t want this product/result/service, then this ad does not apply to you.”

Do you think childhood and adult IQ, obesity, and ability to delay gratification are positively correlated, negatively correlated, or not correlated at all?

How so? And if she is both smart and able to delay gratification what is the reason for her obesity?

I agree with all the rest of this post, but this:

can’t be said strongly enough. It’s very hard to try to change the habits of a lifetime, and I’d really like to see the fitness industry acknowledge that some people are starting at rock bottom. I’m not willing to spend 60 hours a month on fitness. When I started, I started at 15-20 minutes a day, three times a week. That’s what I was capable of, that’s what I was interested in. And I’m STILL not interested in doing extreme fitness. I’d just like to maintain what I’ve won, and get somewhat better.

I understand that Kang isn’t talking to people like me. But there’s far more people like me than there are fitness fanatics.

I think that this is a hijack. However, I’d like to point out that smart doesn’t equal wise, and some medications and conditions will cause weight gain. Steroids, most psychoactive meds for depression, insulin, Cushing’s disease, etc.

I quite frankly suck at it! (it shows that much huh?) :smiley: At least I now live where I don’t have to be terrified of slipping on moss, like in Seattle.

Most trainers would probably tell you an hour a day is plenty, and maybe just 3-5 times per week, combined with a good diet. Why are all the “offended” exaggerating how much exercise it takes to maintain basic fitness?

That’s a good start. Did you stick with it and work up from there?

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That’s it, in a nutshell. Inviting her “inspirational message” is NOT. Though I can completely see your point on how for hardcore athletes or former athletes it could seem that way, in a “YEEHAW, HuzzaH” kinda way. But for a lot of people it’s going to come across completely the opposite.

I have no outrage that she’s in great shape and has worked at it. All of my ire over this comes from her backpedaling (okay apparently that’s NOT what you do in a headwind…who knew? :D) when she was called on her photo caption. As I said in the very beginning, I would have had respect for her if she’d have simply stuck to her guns and said “yup, I think that, and I’m hard core”. Because the whole “oh no…really, I’m trying to be inspirational” comes across as condescending BS. One of those weak apologies that’s not an apology. She’s really wishy washy and needs to pick one or the other.

If her supposed goal is to inspire, particularly to inspire people who are greatly out of shape, she couldn’t have gone more wrong if she’d INTENDED to turn people off to “the message”. All that kind of advertising does is to further discourage really heavy people. And it’s not just me, the majority of the negative comments are along the same lines as what I’ve been saying great body, TERRIBLE delivery on the message.

Yeah, if one is smart enough to know they should eat right and exercise but they still don’t do it, then the deficiency is in something else. Inability to delay gratification seems to be one of those things, so is inactivity/laziness. None of the reasons are complementary, but they are real reasons.

Those factors I’m sure have some effect, but don’t explain rates of obesity in America compared to say France though.

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Something that I haven’t seen mentioned in the thread. There is a difference between the two words “excuse” and “reason”.

The word excuse implies that the thing (whatever it may be) is something one SHOULD be doing and if not, they’re sucky for not doing it. Whereas a reason is “I don’t do x, because y”. Where in this case Y is a choice rather than an out.

An excuse would be, I want to do x, but I can’t because of y". A reason is “I simply don’t do x, because I choose y”. A find distinction yes, but there is a difference.

I thought she was a personal trainer, too. Regardless, she’s the creator of some fitness product/dvd called “The Belly Ball” so she’s selling the concept of fitness.

Obesity is unhealthy: Obesity - Wikipedia

Also obesity has significant societal an economic impacts: Obesity - Wikipedia

So avoiding obesity by being active and not overeating and unhealthy food choices is arguably something one SHOULD be doing.

And once again, you’re picking and choose the parts of a post you want to respond to, thereby changing the meaning of that which was posted. What’s your excuse for sucking so badly at reading comprehension?

FTR, YRI, IANAMD IRL*.

That being said (or at least acronymed), I don’t see what that has to do with anything. Doctors, medical and otherwise, are human. Some subset of that population will make unhealthy choices. Some of subset of them will continue to advise their patients to do otherwise. Some subset of healthy doctors will harp on their unhealthy coleagues to shape up. Much like any other segment of society.

One doesn’t have to be in perfect health to be a very competent medical doctor any more than one has to have a perfectly running car to be a mechanic.

*[sub] For The Recored, You Recall Incorrectly, I Am Not A Medical Doctor In Real Life[/sub]

I feel as if that brings up my other point. The advertisement isn’t a PSA (I think), it was probably targeted for people who feel like they SHOULD be getting fit.

Another analogy: You see a commercial for pest control in your house. Would you ever get offended because the pest control commercial for suggesting that you may have pests in your home?