We do, she went to look at the bird that crashed into the window and saw it was very hurt but still breathing.
Thanks.
Well, those are the two big theories of time manipulation in sci-fi: The Butterfly Effect (change one small thing and you’ve probably changed everything, at least at a specific individual level), or what you might call River Effect (you can make a little ripple, but only a tiny bit of the river is affected at all, and the rest continues on exactly as it would have, even, eventually, the bit of water you disturbed).
Me, I’m with VarlosZ on this; if I’d had a FF I didn’t like, I would have taken fairly immediate steps to disrupt it. And I’m also with Wile E. I live in NJ; the most normal thing would be for me to be sleeping at 10 something PM Pacific Time. And the majority of time one sleeps, one is not dreaming.
That said, what the nice-looking young black (did I mention nice-looking? and young?) FBI guy whose name I can’t remember (and, oh btw, he was nice-looking. and young.) did was magnificent. He fell on the grenade, not just for Celia, but for his friends, and, really, the world. He deliberately made it a grand, very public gesture so that everyone would find out that the FFs weren’t written in stone. Someone lopping off their pinky or getting a tattoo just wouldn’t have had the same public impact. It had to be BIG.
And if it hadn’t been, people would have been complaining that it came out of nowhere.
Zoe says she sees her and Dimitri on a beach, getting married, but iirc, we don’t actually see him in her vision, just her in a dress and the water and sand. So I’ve always wondered about that, that just assumes he’s there.
I think another reason the agent jumped off the roof was that he couldn’t live with himself having killed an innocent, so he offed himself partially to keep from killing her.
First Flash Forward thread I’ve participated in, since it took me a week or two to catch up with all the eps.
It’s my opinion that the future’s always been mutable. There’s simply no way people are going to be going about their business on April 29 like there was no significance to the date. When they reach their flash forward, the knowledge that it’s taking place will be there and will change things. For anything else to happen otherwise is for people to unambiguously lose control of themselves, at least for those two minutes. I find it harder to believe than the idea that a shadow group could construct a device that knocks everyone in the world out for a few minutes. And if the future can be changed in that small way, then it can be changed in larger.
There’s two possibilities, I figure. One is that the flash forward was simply a snapshot of the future at that point in time, and if actions deviate then it becomes invalid. The other possibility, which resolves Dem’s and his girlfriend’s visions, are that they’re just not all of the same future, but of parallel timelines. Although if that were the case, you’d think they’d have found two people whose visions don’t line up; one saw the other, the other didn’t see the first. Either way, things are a lot more fluid than anyone’s figuring. (Bet you $10 the suicidal doc bites it before April.)
Although I think landing on Celia would have been freaking awesome. I hope they know where they’re going with this, but that’s really how it should have gone.
If this were MY show, I’d have had the Al land on Celia, thereby causing the accident through his attempts to avoid it.
I can’t wrap my head around these FFs. They seem to show a future where the FFs have never happened, yet some of those futures only happen because the FFs happened (Dr. Benford). From this week, it seems the FFs have to be of a non-FF future since it has now been definitively changed due to the FFs. But if that’s the case Dr. Benford should have had a completely different vision since she’d never have met that guy without the FFs happening. Also, if the FFs never happened, all those people who died during the blackout would be alive in those future visions, so why didn’t anyone have a vision that showed someone who died during the blackout?
Honestly, I can’t see how they’d resolve this so it makes any sense. I suppose the “river” explanation (can’t alter the main flow, and some things are going to happen no matter what) might work.
The flashfowards have happened in the flashfowards. Hot chick in the train that banged the hobbit said a lot of people saw themselves at a big flash foward party in Times Square.
Well I’m wondering how these characters eat and breathe and other science facts.
Was I the only person thinking “You can’t do that! She’s not Diamond of Long Cleve!”?
Probably. :smack:
Sure, it’s just a TV show, but when the whole premise of the show is based on a single anomaly, it helps if that anomaly is consistent within itself. ETA: In MST3K, how the characters ate and breathed and other science facts were unimportant to the point of the show, which was about making fun of bad movies. In Flash Forward, the flash forwards are the point of the show.
I’m guessing, hoping, that everything will be revealed within the fullness of time (and it doesn’t turn into another Lost), but I don’t see why we can’t discuss and speculate on it.
Yeah, I know. But most of these Flash Forward threads devolve into “For the love of God, why don’t they do X to prove Y!”
and the typical answer is either
a) proving Y is pretty much unimportant
b) If you just took your damn Ritalin and waited another week they would freakin’ do X (wherein the typical response is then “oh well now THAT doesn’t make sense because of A, Q and Pi”).
Still, my favorite critique of this show is still the crow count statistics. Even if I were to give them the benefit of the doubt that they live in a world where you could punch into a computer “worldwide crow population” and it would show you where someone updated the numbers daily…that means they live in a world where SOMEONE updated the numbers daily. As in, they weren’t the first people to discover this phenomenon. I mean, aside from the farmers, the ranchers, the rest of the German prison population, the workers at the Tower of London (and bad luck for them!) who all saw crow carcasses by the hundreds, there was that Audubonist sitting in front of a computer punching statistics in saying to himself “wow…that’s a lot of dead birds. Wonder if I should tell anyone?”
Which is hilarious, considering the number of people in the first thread who said stuff like, “Why aren’t there a bunch of people shooting themselves to prove or disprove it, huh? I would!”
Anyway, I think I have an explanation to your question. These people didn’t just see themselves from the outside doing stuff, they instead saw themselves from inside their own head, including their thoughts and feelings at the time. They didn’t just watch it, they lived it.
Why is that important? Because a couple months ago I was shaving, and I was kind of pissed at the wife, and I was shaving a little over-zealously, and I managed to give myself a nice new scar above my upper lip. It stood out for me and was hard to miss, but a couple months later I look in the mirror and I don’t see it.
So, if you were driving in your FF and you decided to do something to try to change things (ripped out your rear-view mirror, say), six months from now you might be driving, hit FF-time, and you wouldn’t even realize whether or not the mirror was missing because of the way our brains fill in details.
The thing that annoys me about this show is that there doesn’t seem to be any consistency to whether or not the people in the FFs had had FFs. Our hero, Agent Benson obviously did, or we wouldn’t have the Mosaic board. Boss FBI man, however, I have a hard time believing, knowing that the FF is coming, would end up in the bathroom. Yes, he might have IBS or something, but that doesn’t mean he can’t take his Blackberry into the bathroom to look up lottery numbers.
Basically, when the date hits, did the people know it was coming the first time around? Yes or no! If so, why doesn’t Benson have a couple claymores strapped to some desks?
-Joe
That being the other other thing that annoys me on this show. Whenever we see her FF, we see her bare feet in the sand. Unless she was staring down at her feet (for two minutes and seventeen seconds!), that IS NOT WHAT SHE SAW!
-Joe
Well, here’s some wankery for you. She may not have seen them, but she certainly would have felt the sand on her feet, especially if she was dressed up nicely for the office when the FF occurred. Since all we can get out of the TV is visuals and sound, the tactile sensation gets converted into visual for our benefit. Voila. 
AND is shorted out her eyes! Yes, perfect sense!
You, sir, are a master wanker!
-Joe
Thank you!
…Er, wait…