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Not in that context. I don’t care that people can look me up on FB or anything of the sort.
But, just so you know, I keep my information pretty tucked tight. I’d be impressed if you can come from here to learning anything truly relevant about me. The assumption that I own/carry a gun even on this forum isn’t necessarily true either. Simply speaking, if my name were on one of those lists, and I didn’t specifically state that it could be publicly released, then I would feel as though my rights were violated.
I don’t care if it’s gun ownership, or whether I own a PC or a Mac, or an import or domestic car. That is no one’s business but my own and whomever I do business with regarding that specifically.
You are correct that his general observation that “the insanity” did not originate from his side of the political spectrum will not be moderated–any more than will your general observation to which he was responding that those on his side of the argument are part of a “liberal/urban fantasy land” or your personal remark regarding his general conduct.
Both of you–and everyone else–back off on the personal comments.
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In fact, EVERYONE refrain, for the rest of this thread from using insulting language to describe the arguments against which one is posting. Stick to “this is in error” followed by facts and leave all the usual blustering out of it. Maybe we can have one gun thread that actually addresses the issues in a civil manner.
(Or I can just move it to The BBQ Pit, but we’ll try this first.)
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You realize that just because something is written as an editorial online does not make it a “fact”? Especially when some of those facts are incorrect? Mexico doesn’t have the highest number of gun deaths:
Country Deaths Per 100,000 people
Jamaica 47.44
Honduras 46.7
El Salvador 41.11
Guatemala 38.52
Swaziland 37.16
Brazil 19.02
South Africa 18.5
Colombia 11.1
Mexico 11.07
Panama 10.92
United States 9.8
The whole “confiscation” correlating with genocide thing is also bullshit too.
And I don’t know about you, buy I’m more concerned about angry, unreasonible, xenophobic, jingoistic, barely educated, intolerant people who demand more firepower that I am about our government.
If we’re going to play the “numbers” game, then I feel obligated to point out that your chart doesn’t say what those gun deaths are related to. Suicide, lawful shootings, LEOs killing offenders, and other non-homicide statistics likely factor into your numbers there. Further, your title for that is misleading. That is specifically gun deaths.
Let’s, instead, look at the number for List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Ivory Coast 56.9
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
Gamaica 40.9
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38
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United States 4.8
It’s a bit different story. And intentional homicide rates include gun-related murders.
As for your second bit there, I’ve never met a single person you’re alluding to. I’ve met plenty who fall into one category or the other, but never all of them.
From your link:
Your point? That can be equally applied to her link, her link just offers no explanations.
I hardly doubt the US is under reporting 5 people per capita.
Both sets of data are subject to reliability issues, but the measurement problems for “intentional homicide” are much graver due to differences in events reported (euthansia?!?!) and the massive differences in justice across countries. Whereas, a firearm death is a firearm death.
How would you explain the large difference between firearm-related deaths and intentional homicide in the US?
I couldn’t possibly care less about your information. And unless they’re selling something, no one else does either.
However, government licenses are public knowledge. Marriages are published, divorces, I’m sure fishing licenses would be if anyone cared. What is particularly special about keeping gun licenses secret?
Really? Your state has a open database of everyone’s Driver License, including Number, address, Dob, etc? :dubious:
Man, the ID thieves are salivating as I speak…..
Because a large portion of suicides are gun-related. Because lawful use of firearms in self-defense are not considered homicide in the statistics in the United States. Because law enforcement usage of a firearm that is justified is not included in homicide statistics.
There are plenty of explanations.
If you want to include suicide rates, here
US is 62 at 4.8 homicides and 12 for suicide, for 16.8
Source: List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia (Side note: Poor Greenlanders, life must suck)
That does not factor how many of those suicides include a gun, but we can safely assume they contribute a bit to her number.
Or if they’re stealing something. Which… is where we were going in the first place.
I apologize for flooding, but I found what I was looking for.
The CDC’s numbers on suicide from 2010.
Suicide by gun accounts for 6.3 per 100000.
So, the numbers shown in wikipedia were from 2011. Figuring a minor adjustment. We can round it up to 10, although I think that’s high, we’re looking at more than half of the gun-related deaths caused by suicide.
If we leave at 4.7 other deaths, The CDC points out that 3.6 occur by homicide in that year (out of 5.3 homicides). So… that leaves about 1.1 percent uncategorized.
The question was what countries had the highest number of gun-related fatalities. That one is straightforward to answer, dodging aside. The US is, sadly, #2 in gun-related suicides, clocking in just behind Montenegro.
The population of Greenland is notoriously prone to depression and suicide. Andrew Solomon has a great discussion in his book on depression, The Noonday Demon.
I don’t think it was. mssmith537 just posted some numbers to tell me that the US has a lot of gun-deaths. Not a contested point. My point was that her numbers are misleading, and many confuse her number with gun-related homicide. Which is not the case.
And while I didn’t verify your gun-related suicide fact, I’ll take your word for it. That shouldn’t be relevant, as clearly gun-related suicide doesn’t contribute to worldwide suicide numbers that largely if the US clocks in at #2 with 6.3. Clearly if someone wants to kill themselves, they will… guns be damned.
Yes. The gun owner’s masterbatory fantasy: there you are awaken in the middle of the night by intruders, your wife lies sleeping by your side about to get raped, your children sleep unknowingly about to be abducted, and only you with your Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock can save them.
Nobody was confused. The numbers are not particularly misleading, either. The US has a lot of guns and the US has a lot of gun deaths. How one interprets the number of deaths depends on one’s values.
You can verify the numbers using the wiki with gun deaths. It breaks all kinds out by category. 6.3 gun-related suicides per 100k is quite a lot given that the US has a population of 315 million people. It is also not true that people are going to kill themselves if they want to kill themselves. Availability of sanitary, painless methods makes a significant difference. One more corrective: msmith is a dude. M Smith.
This may come as a shock, but that information is available on the global information superhighway you’re currently driving on and you’re worried about a few lines printed in a dying media?
But not you. No. You’re safe. You don’t give out your zip code to Best Buy checkout clerks or anything.
It’s like you read my mind! :rolleyes:
Far more likely, they just wait until you aren’t home and steal your guns and other valuables. It’s a bad idea to publish names and addresses of owners of portable, high-value property of any type. It’s pre-casing for burglars.
I thought guns made people feel safe. I would have thought others knowing they have them would make them feel safer. Now I’m confused.