I found this line over there. It may wind up as my sig someday.
Bell: “I believe it is easy to loose sight of the fact the the Lord has created athiests for a reason…to test our faith. They tempt us with reason and facts…”
Ooh, those evil atheists. I just have visions of myself hanging out of the apple tree in the Garden of Eden, proffering a science textbook to Eve.
Gaudere: Didja see how quickly some of the others rejected that idea?
Falcon: Well, we see how little it takes to push you over the edge. Man, take you up on a lousy 5-dollar bet and you’re telling me to go to Hell! Sheesh!
Yeah, obviously you can’t have a God making people just to inevitably damn them to Hell; atheists choose to go to Hell, yeah, that’s the ticket… I still like the “tempting with reason and facts” bit.
Gaudere - so that’s what you were doing, all that time on the ‘Why Pray?’ thread! Here I thought you were asking a serious question, and all the time, you were trying to tempt me, Poly, Tris, eden, Jodi, and all the others with reason and facts.
Added to the “Rationalization” thread, which was essentially mocking those who think for themselves and come up with conclusions different from them that “Jesus was tolerant,” and it must be bad to rationalize that His followers should be the same way.
Added several new arguments to Falcon’s “Church & State” thread, which will hopefully take the argument away from 1700’s ideals and move it to the now, where I think Falcon will have an easier go of it.
Took those to task about The Body about hpow judging a movie before you’ve seen it is wrong.
Then someone went and used words from the infamous Rev. Daniel Wildmon to back him up. Hovind and Wildmon seem to be their best friends… Who needs enemies, you know?
Folks there are not just taking Left Behind as Gospel. Instead, they’re also taking that dumb Schwarzenegger movie End of Days as Gospel. They believe that part where the Gregorian monks are supposed to have accurately predicted some kind of fictional astronomical event that was depicted in the movie. (A comet passing “over” the Moon, making it look like God’s eye in 1979. Never happened. I was alive in 1979.)
When I saw the movie, I shook my head when Rod Steiger’s priest character claimed the calendar was so accurate, it predicts astronomical events 1500 years into the future. Actually, that calendar had to undergo serious revision in the 18th Century. 14 days (or so) were lopped off to get it back in sync with the seasons. I think October 3rd was followed by October 17th in 1755 or thereabouts. George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, like everyone else born before that year, had to adapt to new birthdates.
And as I pointed out Over There, if those monks missed the birth of Jesus by three or four years, they certainly couldn’t be infallible, right?
The funniest part in “End of Days” was when the priest wrote “666” on a notecard, explained that “in dreams, people often see things upside down and backward” and flipped it over, thereby “proving” the Number of the Beast was referring to 1999. What a godawful hack. I was watching it with my family, and we all groaned in unison. They had already established that the devil comes around every thousand years, they didn’t need a crappy explanation like that!
Also, they said the Gabriel Byrne character was “chosen” as well to inpregnate the girl, so what’s with the Devil suddenly switching to Arnold at the end? If any old body would do, the Devil should have sneaked into the girl’s boyfriend’s body, and there you go–no muss, no fuss. And why the heck did Ahnold give up the guns in the end? They were working, and as soon as he gave 'em up the Devil beat the snot out of him and hopped in his body.
But it was a fun action movie…just don’t think too hard. Some neat F/X too.
And they all read Stan’s message. And they all blinked. And it sailed right over their heads. Or in one eye and out the other, not encountering anything on the pathway through, just bouncing off the back of the skull…
I just flamed Thomas as well, in a different thread. They were talking about a rumor regarding cloning Jesus from the Shroud (funny, I just made a joke about that in a thread around here – so I used it there too; I believe in recycling). At the end, I said it doesn’t matter 'cus the shroud is a fraud anyway. Thomas responded, “Thus saith The One Who Knows All.” I just posted back: “No. But thus saith The One Who Knows More Than You, Apparently.”
Cute, jab. I’ve seen that on the backs of cars, of course; I’ve also seen the fundie ‘rebuttal’: a fish called ‘truth’ eating the legged ‘Darwin’ fish.
Works if they assume that the Bible is true regardless, and anything that contradicts it (excepting other parts of the Bible, of course) is false. Which they do.