Forbidden Thread - Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Wow. I’m glad that you changed your vote NAF. At the very least, I’m pretty darn sure that Darth Sensitive is scum now.

  1. His participation has been ridiculously sparse during the last Day. Yet he’s totally available to change his vote to save his own skin. He’s very much lurking scum.
  2. He proclaims that he thinks NAF is Town. Gee, how would he know that? Town wouldn’t state it. He’s scum that doesn’t want to be on the lynch bandwagon. Everyone would understand why Darth Sensitive changed his vote, but by explicitly stating it, I’m getting a deep “Oh I don’t want to do this because I’m an innocent Townie and I don’t like lynching other Townies”
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I admit I’ve only been skimming (scum tell!) the game this week due to being in tech for a show, but I’m not convinced on **DS **yet. The case against him was mostly his statement about the Day being a disaster before dotchan was revealed. But he posted a very convincing counter-argument listing all the other players who had said almost the exact same thing. It was a solid refutation, IMO.

As to your point #1, he does seem to have been lurking. Normally, I’m as hard as they come on lurkers, but as I think the NAF lynch demonstrated and you stated:

[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Town continues to follow the ‘lynch the vocal’ policy to its severe detriment.
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So it’s possible he was thinking that the more he spoke, the worse it would get for him. I don’t like that strategy, personally, but I could see him making that choice and still being Town.

As to your #2, I agree it reads a little overstrong as a “reluctant Townie” vote, but that’s parsing it pretty fine, I think. As BlaM would say, I think it’s a null tell - both scum and town would have a motivation to say that.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
I admit I’ve only been skimming (scum tell!) the game this week due to being in tech for a show, but I’m not convinced on **DS **yet. The case against him was mostly his statement about the Day being a disaster before dotchan was revealed. But he posted a very convincing counter-argument listing all the other players who had said almost the exact same thing. It was a solid refutation, IMO.
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Of the three people that I thought were potentially the boss based on the bosses behavior, DS is the only one who failed to behave like a townie. I am glad Pleo snapped me out of it and had me place my vote on who I thought was scum. I wish I had done so earlier.

His defense wasn’t actually a defense, it was a list of people who were upset at how the Day had gone, and had been upset before the Day ended. He actually sounded (now that I am more clear eyed and not in the game) like scum gloating.

On mafiascum they say one of the classic scum tells for new scum is gloating. Saying things like “oh wow, we really screwed up that lynch.” or “crap, that was a horrible Night we sure are screwed now” are considered voteable offenses. What only HNC called him on, was being on the end of that lynch and then distancing himself from it. Scum tell#2. Add to that lurking, scum tell #3, and fitting the profile of behavior for the boss (not a scum tell, but lets call that #4) and I think DS has a preponderance of evidence against him.

Breaking the tie to kill me instead of him is proably scum tell #5, but I don’t think anyone will call him on it. Did he defend me at any point in the Day? If he did I would say that should be enought to get him lynched.

This game is so much easier when you aren’t actually playing.

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Do you play on mafiascum NAF? If so, what’s your monicker?

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[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers]
Do you play on mafiascum NAF? If so, what’s your monicker?
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No, I can’t log on from work anymore (got blocked last year), so I don’t play. But I read the games over there a lot.

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NAF pretty much summed it all up.

Initially, I merely agreed with HazelNutCoffee’s hitlist which included chrisk, Hawkeyeop, OneCentStamp, and Darth Sensitive. When Hal mentioned the Night post, I agreed that Darth Sensitive would be a good lynch of the remaining three. The rest might be confirmation bias.

I may be wrong, and probability says I’m likely to be wrong, but I see too much of myself in Darth Sensitive’s play that it makes me think he is scum. In YSI, I was very much keen to lurk and say as little as possible, but I kept an eye on the vote and the end of the Day to be available to do things if things needed to be done. I think Darth Sensitive is doing the same thing.

I didn’t know about the gloating angle, but now that NAF says it it makes sense. I distinguished Darth Sensitive’s lament from the others because it occurred at a peculiar time. Why just after the Day ended but before the alignment of dotchan was revealed? All the town comments happened while the Day was happening. If Darth Sensitive were frustrated like the rest of the Town, why wait until the end of Day? Why not express frustration when the frustration is fresh?
And clearly Darth Sensitive was monitoring the situation, which is why he was able to post between End of Day and before dotchan’s alignment was revealed.

Anyway the big point for me is his excessive “clean nose.” Even the slip that got him into hot water isn’t mudding at all on the surface. The sentiment is remarkably clean. And given dotchan’s alignment, the sentiment is accurate. It’s the timing that got him. This reminds me of the slip that storyteller caught on me in YSI. I was sloppy and posted stuff about OAOW without being meticulous. I was sloppy because I knew the conclusion would be correct.

He’s been playing clean since Day One, which indicates Boss rather than recruit.
Unlike Blaster Master, who was aggressive and talkative on Day Two, and got quiet recently, which indicates recruit to me*, rather than Boss.

  • I’m having some doubts though. I’m debating what would happen if I were recruited. I think I would go out of my way to keep the same level of posting; but I also think that I’d be pissed that I was recruited and put the game on the backburner. Either way, Blaster Master doesn’t need to be lynched until the Boss is found.
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WHAT ARE THEY DOING!?!

I totally died in vain, none of them learned a good god damn thing!

:smack: :smack: :smack:
GAHHHHHHHH!!!

: passes out in a fit of frustration:

I don’t know if going and getting spoiled will make this harder or easier.

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I’m not surprised that Blaster Master turned out to be a recruited scum (Yay us!). I am surprised that the Town is so keen to lynch him though. They need to find the Boss.

Is it me or has Blaster Master confirmed my suspicions that Darth Sensitive is the Boss? He supposes that drainbead is recruited scum (he pretty much has to) protecting the Boss because Town is getting close, but then points at Millit the Frail. WTF? Why not Darth Sensitive who came one vote shy of getting lynched? Does not make sense unless Darth Sensitive is scum too, especially the Boss.
Furthermore, BlaM being recruited scum and DS being the Boss explains why Blaster Master voted for NAF instead of Darth Sensitive despite believing NAF was not the Boss. He accepted MHaye’s analysis that NAF wasn’t scum as of Day x, ergo not the Boss. Yet voted for NAF. If Darth Sensitive is scum, that would explain the inconsistency.

Darth Sensitive = Boss
Blaster Master = recruit #1

recruit #2 = MHaye?
recruit #3 = ?

I can’t believe the Town is gunning for Blaster Master when they really need to get the Boss.
I’m mostly irritated because it will make the game even LONGER.
Day 5 and only 5 people dead? Ug!

ETA: I was going to Arrrrgh! in long bolded caps, but I decided to divest myself from this trainwreck. I need to maintain my Zen-like approach for Batman.

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I’m not surprised that Blaster Master turned out to be a recruited scum (Yay us!). I am surprised that the Town is so keen to lynch him though. They need to find the Boss.

Is it me or has Blaster Master confirmed my suspicions that Darth Sensitive is the Boss? He supposes that drainbead is recruited scum (he pretty much has to) protecting the Boss because Town is getting close, but then points at Millit the Frail. WTF? Why not Darth Sensitive who came one vote shy of getting lynched? Does not make sense unless Darth Sensitive is scum too, especially the Boss.
Furthermore, BlaM being recruited scum and DS being the Boss explains why Blaster Master voted for NAF instead of Darth Sensitive despite believing NAF was not the Boss. He accepted MHaye’s analysis that NAF wasn’t scum as of Day x, ergo not the Boss. Yet voted for NAF. If Darth Sensitive is scum, that would explain the inconsistency.

Darth Sensitive = Boss
Blaster Master = recruit #1

recruit #2 = MHaye?
recruit #3 = ?

I can’t believe the Town is gunning for Blaster Master when they really need to get the Boss.
I’m mostly irritated because it will make the game even LONGER.
Day 5 and only 5 people dead? Ug!
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Interesting. Why do you think MHaye?

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MHaye made the case that you were Town as of Day x (I think it was 2, but I’ve lost track) because of your acting in a way that scum simply would not. He seemed to have convinced Blaster Master, and if I recall correctly, Blaster Master agreed that NAF was a post-Boss lynch candidate at best. (I’m not going back to look for this stuff, so I might not be remembering correctly).
But the base of it is, while NAF might be recruited scum, he was clearly Not the Boss. Therefore, I find the votes for NAF Yesterday non-sensical and inconsistent. Should Darth Sensitive prove to be the Boss. I’d say that explains Blaster Master’s NAF vote and similarly MHaye’s. (I’d really need to go back and see what MHaye said precisely, but that’s the impression I have).

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Is it me or has Blaster Master confirmed my suspicions that Darth Sensitive is the Boss? He supposes that drainbead is recruited scum (he pretty much has to) protecting the Boss because Town is getting close, but then points at Millit the Frail. WTF? Why not Darth Sensitive who came one vote shy of getting lynched? Does not make sense unless Darth Sensitive is scum too, especially the Boss.
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The way things are going for BLaM right now, were I him I’d seriously consider pointing my finger at the boss right now. There’s no chance he can talk his way out of this one, and the longer he can put suspicions off of the boss the better for the scum.

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What the hell is Drain Bead doing?
I’m convinced she’s telling the truth and I want to lynch her.

Why bring up Pleonast at all? Focus people, focus!

Blaster Master is being quite aggressive here, but I think he is lacking care. Drain Bead knowing Pleonast isn’t a Priest is proof enough. Why question that she doesn’t know the specific role? If Pleonast admits (which he implicitly did), that he isn’t a Priest it’s obvious that Drain Bead knows he’s not a Priest because she knows his real role.

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
What the hell is Drain Bead doing?
I’m convinced she’s telling the truth and I want to lynch her.

Why bring up Pleonast at all? Focus people, focus!

Blaster Master is being quite aggressive here, but I think he is lacking care. Drain Bead knowing Pleonast isn’t a Priest is proof enough. Why question that she doesn’t know the specific role? If Pleonast admits (which he implicitly did), that he isn’t a Priest it’s obvious that Drain Bead knows he’s not a Priest because she knows his real role.
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Um, I REALLY don’t like DB’s last post. If she hasn’t been recruited she has suddenly lost the ability to play the game well.

What was that?

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[QUOTE=Rysto]
The way things are going for BLaM right now, were I him I’d seriously consider pointing my finger at the boss right now. There’s no chance he can talk his way out of this one, and the longer he can put suspicions off of the boss the better for the scum.
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That thought occurred to me too. But it’s something that Town thinks scum would do, but scum are loathe to actually do. At least that was my thinking. I was constantly tempted to false breadcrumb by accusing my teammates and then getting myself killed. But I never did because 1) I was afraid that Town would follow me while I was alive and screw up a teammate and 2) I was afraid my ploy would be transparent and Town would know my false accusations were covering up for a teammate.
So I never did it.
It’s a funny thing, because as Town, you think scum would act that way; but as scum, you really don’t.

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
That thought occurred to me too. But it’s something that Town thinks scum would do, but scum are loathe to actually do. At least that was my thinking. I was constantly tempted to false breadcrumb by accusing my teammates and then getting myself killed. But I never did because 1) I was afraid that Town would follow me while I was alive and screw up a teammate and 2) I was afraid my ploy would be transparent and Town would know my false accusations were covering up for a teammate.
So I never did it.
It’s a funny thing, because as Town, you think scum would act that way; but as scum, you really don’t.
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I tried that ploy once, only without the intention of getting killed, just knowing that I probably would get killed at some point. (Pirates game off site) It didn’t work out well. When I did die they noticed that my accusations against my team mate all had a different feel to them and he got lynched next.

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[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
I think this may actually be in the town’s best interest at this point.
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No it’s fucking not! This is all smoke and mirrors guys, focus! Catch the boss, deal with all the bizzare claims later. None of them matter right now.

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Well, I think Blaster Master’s acting scummy. The town has heard a claim that he is the Capo. They should verify this by stringing up either Blaster Master or Drain Bead, no? And yet here’s Blaster arguing that they should do NEITHER. No one has any leads on the Boss, so all this “focus on catching the boss!” talk is a total distraction.

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Oh and the 5% consigliere thing? Total red herring. That Drain Bead is pointing to that as justification for lynching Blaster Master instead of looking for the Boss looks scummy as anything we’ve seen. I really wonder what I’d do if I were in the game. I’m so convinced that Darth Sensitive is the Boss, but Drain Bead is acting so… weird. I just don’t get it. But she’s obviously telling the truth since Pleonast didn’t refute her outright. At the very least Pleonast and Drain Bead are clearly (or were) on the same side.

It doesn’t make sense for Pleonast to be the Boss because if he was, Drain Bead would have identified him as such. It doesn’t make sense for Pleonast to be a recruit because he had claimed Priest, and scum have no reason to distrust that claim. Therefore, Pleonast is a lying Townie.
(Am I missing something?)

Drain Bead, despite all the weirdness, is supported as Town by the facts. If she were recruited, this whole mess would not have happened. Plus, falsely identifying a Townie as scum pretty much gives herself up. Doesn’t make sense. Not one bit.
Her being scum with Blaster Master is intriguing, but again a really bad scum move; and one that scum simply are not inclined to pursue. Why risk so much for relatively little. So Drain Bead is ‘confirmed’ town For TODAY. That means nothing Tomorrow.

I think people are letting the game play itself and not thinking enough.

I’m mildly sad that my connection with HazelNutCoffee seems to be broken. Maybe she was recruited last Night!

On Preview: Catching the Boss is of utmost importance. The idea that lynching a recruit today is a lateral move, or even a pro-town move is deceptive. Sure the number of scum stays the same, but the number of Town goes down. Keep that up, and Town loses.
Now, one might argue that lynching Town today is even worse for Town; which in an absolute sense, it is. However, Town must search for the Boss. Catching the Boss stops recruitment. Failure to catch the Boss guarantees a loss. Therefore, lynching anyone who cannot be the Boss is the wrong move. This includes both Drain Bead and Blaster Master.

The only counter argument is at some point, Drain Bead will be recruited, and will work to die before Blaster Master to confuse the Town. So maybe that is a good reason to act Today, but I still think looking for the Boss is more important. Furthermore, finding the Boss ASAP reduces the chances of a Drain Bead conversion.

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I am glad I was lynched. I would not want to be in this mess.

IF I was still alive, I would recommend that the search for the boss continue for the majority of the Day, and then, if no good conclusions were able to be reached, the town kills DrainBead.

That is what I would suggest. I would be ignored, but that is the towns problem.

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I just think that at this point, “try to catch the boss” will just end up meaning “lynch a random townie”. It doesn’t count as progress just because you were trying to do something useful.

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I see what Blaster Master is up to. (Again, this is biased towards my thinking that Darth Sensitive is the Boss)

Blaster Master keeps bringing up that the Town is close to the Boss and that is why Drain Bead is acting up. He’s done it at least twice now. It’s an interesting supposition, but an odd one coming from supposed Town. I think he is setting up for if/when he dies or Darth Sensitive dies.

If Blaster Master dies, then Town will look at his posts and conclude that he was trying to mislead and think Darth Sensitive or Millit the Frail are the Boss. I don’t think the ploy will work, but I think it is his motivation.

If Darth Sensitive dies, he will say See! lynch Drain Bead.
As for lynching Drain Bead. I kind of see her point. I’d want to be lynched if I were in her shoes. This is why I really hate recruitment. Drain Bead has worked hard to benefit the Town. Now that she’s made her play, she wants to preserve her win condition. It’s messed up, but I understand it.

The correct play is to leave Drain Bead alive. It sucks for her, but for the Town they leave Drain Bead alive so that she can continue to investigate. Town notes all the investigations and date of investigation. If at some point Blaster Master dies, and is shown to be scum, then Town knows all investigations prior to Today are valid. If he dies and id shown Town, they know they can lynch Drain Bead.
Leaving her alive forces scum to make a choice, Kill or recruit her. Killing her confirms all the information. Recruiting her, well, they can try and get an advantage, but Town will kill her after she stops turning in scum.
That is the best course of action for the Town.
As an observer, I see why Drain Bead wants out. It’s a sucky position to be in.

[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
It doesn’t count as progress just because you were trying to do something useful.
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Actually it does.