NAF,
I have a meeting at 12PM EDT.
If you could keep yourself unspoiled, I’d like to chat with you when I get back this afternoon.
I’ll be shocked if you turn up as scum.
Its a tad early, but I am good and dead, so I thought I would say hi!
I screwed up that last Day but good, sorry bout that.
Just saw this.
Happy to chat, I would be shocked too.
Off to read the thread.
Hey NAF, welcome to the afterlife. (Does that make me one of the five people you see in heaven? 
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I always believed in you, too bad I couldn’t help you out this time.
I agree, he’s looking pretty scummy to me. He keeps posting things like this…
…when someone questions him. It’s very subtle, but he argues from authority and tries to belittle those who are arguing against him. It stifles conversation, IMO, which is usually anti-town.
Similarly, I think the “let’s not waste another day talking about me” tactic, tried here by NAF and brewha in a previous game, just doesn’t work. I understand the motivation and it makes perfect sense when you know you’re town, but for those who don’t know (i.e. most of the town), it can come off as conversation stifling: “don’t talk about me,” which reads scummy. I think Townies under the gun should avoid this tactic (no criticism intended, NAF).
No, it’s not a bad critisism. The thing is, I was starting to become a lightning rod, and then EVERYONE in the game started to get a major case of confirmation bias.
What really pissed me off were the LARGE number of people who voted for me with no reason at all. And still no one would put together a case against me. No one ever did. They said they did, but none existed, just a bunch of “NAF sure is scummy” votes.
I will also say (before I get spoiled) that as of the end of that Day, I no loger think BlaM is town. I looked at who drove the lynch train, and BlaM didn’t just drive it, he built it, laid the tracks, and stoked the fires when it slowed.
Wow. I’m glad that you changed your vote NAF. At the very least, I’m pretty darn sure that Darth Sensitive is scum now.
- His participation has been ridiculously sparse during the last Day. Yet he’s totally available to change his vote to save his own skin. He’s very much lurking scum.
- He proclaims that he thinks NAF is Town. Gee, how would he know that? Town wouldn’t state it. He’s scum that doesn’t want to be on the lynch bandwagon. Everyone would understand why Darth Sensitive changed his vote, but by explicitly stating it, I’m getting a deep “Oh I don’t want to do this because I’m an innocent Townie and I don’t like lynching other Townies”
Gaaah.
Anyway. You’re better of here NAF.
And did anyone else notice that HazelNutCoffee is also channeling zuma? We’re totally in sync this game. I’ll be really pissed if HazelNutCoffee turns out to be scum.
My hope is Millit the Frail keeps her mouth shut long enough* for HazelNutCoffee to get Darth Sensitive lynched.
- which is totally against what I’d been railing against the Town about, but seriously, everything she says makes me think Town will kill her. And I think she’s Town!
NAF,
I was totally on board with your list. I don’t know why everyone reacted the way they did to it. The only thing I would have done differently is I wouldn’t have listed everyone on your list as a list for the future. I would have stated each morning who I thought would have been good lynch candidates based on the interactions of the previous Day. Keep a running log.
The problem with forecasting, is it is necessarily imprecise. Better to keep running commentary.
I totally noticed that. The real problem is that Townies must be doing it. There aren’t enough scum to warrant that much ‘laziness.’
Town continues to follow the ‘lynch the vocal’ policy to its severe detriment.
Hey sach, I’d appreciate it if you could refrain from commenting on the off-board game in this thread. NAF and I are both playing in it.
I know, I caught flack for being lazy when I asked people to check my work. But no one ever checked. It’s why I dropped the Dio/USC thing. I wasn’t sure if I was onto something or not, so I put it out there and asked for people to take a look and I got called lazy.
I asked for people to make a case against me, all I got were people saying they had, to which my only responce could possibly be “no, you haven’t”, because they hadn’t.
This was a very frustrating game, because I know there are only 2 scum out there and it HAD to be town participating in most of this bad behavior. But mostly I think Pleo was right when he said I had caught your funk from YSI.
Also, it is true what I said about being a rookie. I have never managed to make it past Day 3 when I was town, and I have only made it that far once. I have no idea how to play town, only how to play as scum. And it is hard to break the scum habbit, it’s another reason why I felt I needed to get killed. I was starting to sew chaos without realizing it until after I had posted. But most of that Day was me grasping at straws trying to get someone to say something to make me think I might be right.
That was probably not a great strategy. :smack:
Huh? It’s a general comment, nothing specific and nothing even remotely spoilerish.
I’m unspoiled in both places anyway.
oh and, I plan on staying unspoiled for as long as I can take it (might not be long).
NAF,
I am very much with you on the notion of setting traps, but you can’t force it. Let the opportunities arise naturally and then take advantage of them. Explicitly making statements “for effect” will be interpreted as scummy. Either we need to learn that doing so isn’t necessarily scummy, or you need to be aware that doing so will probably end up biting your ass. Town has a remarkable ability to look at the action without looking at the motivation for the action. Of course if I were in the game, I’d probably have been calling for your head too
In Conspiracy, the ‘trap’ I ‘set’ (it wasn’t so much I set it, as it just sort of happened), was the knowledge that I knew I was truthful and that I knew that two of the three scum factions would know that I was being truthful. So I shut my trap and watched what others were saying. HazelNutCoffee ended up tipping her hand which I didn’t notice at the time, but became helpful later. (Which is also why she is so suspicious of Darth Sensitive).
I think the best traps are when you notice something but hold onto that tidbit for a few days (not Days) to get people to talk about it, then share your findings.
I think all too often Town wants information and they want it right now! Sometimes waiting to the end of the Day is optimal.
Even in YSI, there was potential for traps that Town didn’t exploit. They should have gotten everyone talking before the dossier reveals. Get scum to commit to a vote before the reveal and potential information could have been had.
Yes! Stay with us. I get lonely talking to myself in here.
Well sure, when you say it like that is sounds so easy! I actually learned a lot about playing town in this game. Like I said, all I knew before was how to play scum and how town “should” play, but there is a greater level of subtlety to how town “should” play than I had understood while I was watching. I don’t even know if it is something I can put into words, but I was playing 100% how town “should” play in this game, while at the same time playing like scum.
It is interesting.
I had an epiphany.
I think NAF, since you’ve modded so many games now and you’ve played scum a few times, you have a better sense of what scum will do and won’t do. The rest of the players don’t have that yet. So your reasoning and conclusions are orthogonal to the typical player. They see “different” and conclude “scum.”
I think we here on the outside are better able to see your posts and motivations more clearly, because we are role-less. Pleonast made a very good point in The Conspiracy that players tend to view the game through the prism of their own role. I think that comment is quite apt. Out here we don’t have a role, so we can read everyone without role-bias. So we are better able to look at your wagon and say WTF?
There is so much that I would like to say here that I really shouldn’t say. But I think you are probably right.
Would you like to channel zuma too?
Hey!
We’re just acknowledging that you are correct.