Well, at the very least CapnPitt is the faithfool of this game for his f’n whiny rant. It’s just a game people!
I don’t think he is whining. It’s a tough situation to be Town and have to face irrational scrutiny. I’ve been lucky in all of my games. I’ve either had a Town confirmable role or a scum role. I haven’t had to defend myself with essentially nothing. Which is what everyone is asking CapnPitt to do. He can’t defend himself (assuming he’s vanilla). So he’s frustrated.
Everything he could possibly say, scum would say the same thing. Even though this is Day Two, he’s the typical Day One lynch.
I have no idea if MHaye is scum or not, but I’d want him lynched, simply because his Town play style is indistinguishable from scum. He always waits until the end of the Day to make his case and vote. Drives me bonkers.
I agree it’s tough, but he is taking it a little too personally, it seems. It’s inevitable in this game that you’re going to be under scrutiny, so just deal with it. The best thing you can do in those situations is try to convince everyone as calmly and rationally as possible that you’re not scum. You’re never going to convince anyone by getting all pissy. And if you die, oh well, information gained and go on to root from beyond the grave.
I agree Blaster would be a good choice to recruit, but maybe not today. He’s been a little too active, I think.
Well, newly deceased, I suppose I can post here now.
Harumph! is all I can say.
I got pissy for exactly the reason sachertorte said. I had nothing to defend against and the only thing I did was express an opinion. I realize now why people would think that was suspicious. I had no idea at the time. In the context of the game it’s frustrating to not have anything to fight back with, so I got pissy. Yeah, it’s only a game, but y’know, frustration/aggression and all that.
CapnPitt, you played your role as well as anyone could have in your situation. I have to admit that your Pleonast/Menocchio statement caught my suspicion, but when ShadowFacts pressed me for details I realized that scum simply wouldn’t stick a neck out like that. Your best chance was for Blaster Master and Pleonast to convince the Town to lynch someone else. Unfortunately, with the deadline and little else to go on, your lynch was inevitable.
The good news is you played as a vanilla Townsperson as you should. You tried to defend yourself, got annoyed, and died. That’s pretty much what is expected to happen at this point of the game. It is better that a vanilla town died than have a powerrole lynched or forced to roleclaim.
Now the town has data with which to work. Who pushed for your lynch? Who defended you? Did anyone state your townness for no good reason?
I see what you mean, especially about the data. If anybody else wants to chime in on how I could have played that, I’d love to hear it. After the false dichotomy screw up, I mean. That I realize was horrible, but how could I have avoided the snowball effect after that?
I’m not sure you could have. Early in games, there is very little to go on (even more so in this game, due to the lack of scum) and players seize on any little thing, usually justifying it with “it’s better than nothing.” Take that and add in some drive-by votes and suddenly you’re in the hot seat. It sucks.
I think your best bet is to stick with the game, explain yourself as rationally as possible against all accusers, but also find a plausible alternate target that you find scummy and present a case. And maybe, just maybe, you can convince a few players that you are not the most scummy and the wagon will start on someone else 
I think you did well to point a finger on your way out at someone you felt was suspicious (Hal). The best thing you can do as a townie is tell the truth and get as much out there as you can.
thanks for the comments.
So, no kill last night. In some ways, that’s even worse than a kill. No information gained, more paranoia sown.
I’m seeing how that works now. Odd how that works though. I see some people aren’t understanding my lynching now. I can’t blame them for not defending me though. The last thing to do, it would appear, would be to stick your neck out in a situation like that. Sort of what I did with the Pleonast/Mennochio argument.
Ugh. I kind of wish the Vigilante was required to kill (although he might have been blocked). This game is going to take Forever and a half!
Darth Sensitive has jumped onto my radar. He defended CapnPitt Yesterday with a ‘decree-like’ stance then jumps onto Pleonast to start off the day. Seems strange to me; though jumping onto Pleonast doesn’t seem like something scum would do. Furthermore, his reason for voting Pleonast makes no sense to me. If I understand Pleonast’s point of view, Pleonast wants everyone to speak up so that the Boss can’t simply pick off the quiet players. He wants everyone to have a significant record so that recruitment detection becomes plausible from the post record. I don’t see how that warrants a vote, but I’m guessing Darth Sensitive isn’t understanding Pleonast’s point.
Maybe that’s a point in Darth Sensitive’s favor, as scum wouldn’t stick a neck out so brazenly. Though I rode brewha’s mis-statement for quite a while in the last game.
The post-mortem on CapnPitt is interesting. I wonder if anyone will jump on the people stating how they weren’t onboard the CapnPitt lynch. I know I’d find that suspicious. But again, I think that’s a false suspicion.
I think Blaster Master was recruited. He makes the most sense at this time.
I wonder if Town should take a survey of who they think was recruited each morning. Basically, take a snap shot of what people are thinking each morning. It would serve as a good record for identifying who people thought were vulnerable for later in the game when they need to determine who was recruited AND WHEN.
Also it sets up a mind game with the Boss, as she (ha!) will need to take into account Town’s suspicions, but can’t take Town’s suspicions too seriously because Town will know that information too. Fun!
Blaster Master is correct that evaluating a mass claim is not possible at this time. The role numbers are unknown so evaluating the strength of a claim requires assumptions that could be fatally incorrect. Also recruitment extinguishes the power of a mass claim. As long as the Boss lives, a mass claim is infeasible.
I also have a problem with the recruitability of masons. They get 50% protection, but once one converts, the identities of all the others are known by scum. Not good.
Day 1:
Day 2:
Oh, dear. At least the Vig isn’t recruitable.
He is lynchable, though. And somehow I doubt that BLaM would miss those obvious Vig tells. I think that sachertorte is right: BLaM was recruited last Night.
I’ll tell you what, I wish I’d kept my head down earlier in the game. I’m learning a ton from Blaster Master.
Perhaps I like the game better as a spectator. 
Actually, No.
The fact that Town consistently lynches other Townies on Day One for ‘slips’ and ‘scum tells’ is a rut we’ve fallen into. On one side, there really isn’t much for Town to evaluate on Day One so making mountains out of molehills is somewhat understandable. On the other, Town really doesn’t discuss enough on Day One and ends up latching onto something. Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t lynch Pleonast. I thought once they got their teeth in there, they would never let go.
The really bad effect is that the current state of affairs discourages talking, which is what kills the Town everytime now. Next game CapnPitt plays, he’ll keep his head down, other townies will keep their heads down, there will be less talk on Day One, and poof, scum will win.
What should have happened is CapnPitt states what he honestly thinks; and everyone else does the same. Town evaluates what he says, and either lynches him or not. CapnPitt is not to blame here. He didn’t do anything wrong. He spoke his mind, which is precisely what Town should do.
Stifling Town into keeping a low profile will just hand the game to scum.
There is nothing wrong with liking the game better as a spectator. But if you are going to play the game, you have to separate what is best for your team from what is best for you individually. And given the large number of townies, and the large amount of paranoia, and the small number of scum, it is unsurprising that a townie was lynched.
What sucks for you, is that the townie who was lynched was you. I don’t blame you for thinking “Next time, I’ll keep my head down”–but if everyone keeps their heads down, there is nothing to evaluate, and no game to play–or read.
So, if you thought you’d like the game, but are disappointed by the way things turned out, go ahead and sign up for another game.
oh, I’ll probably sign up again at some point. I’m really watching with interest now.
sachertorte I get what you’re saying. I know this game is a variant, but you mentioned the Doper players getting in a rut. I was wondering if you (or anybody else) knew the numbers for number of town wins vs. number of scum wins. Have scum been “cleaning up” here?