Rogan is a shit-stirrer with lefty leanings. But his job is to stir the shit first. And pushing DeSantis to run vs trump is a GREAT idea. I heartily approve. Mind you DeSantis is just trump-lite, but still- not trump.
@Sage_Rat I know it’s a minor point but upon rereading I see I was somehow confusing “Sirius” with “Sinclair” who are certainly right-wing. Sorry.
There must be - one of my Trumpist friends only watches Newsmax these days and he must be getting it from somewhere. Can’t be the internet because he’s not at all computer literate, unless one of his kids set something up on a browser for him.
No, that’s Putin these days, which would make DeSantis the third coming of Hitler.
Well to me this was obvious during the Trump presidency. They had to invent this concept of the “deep state”, because being in power means being accountable, and that isn’t their style at all.
Their rhetoric is “something bad is happening somewhere [whether real or imaginary] and it’s all the other tribe’s fault”. And it’s much easier to say this when you’re the opposition.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m not seeing that DeSantis has the same sort of weird personal charisma that Trump has.
To me anyway, he comes across as a pretty standard politician, and when he tries something out of that mold, he comes across as a grumpy asshole. His policies are pretty extreme and in line with Trumpism/Tea Party/etc… but personally he doesn’t seem like he’s got the magnetism to pull it off.
I think he’s going to seem repellent to people who might have liked Trump’s personality/attitude, but weren’t as concerned with the policies. Without the personality, the focus will be on the policies and I’m wondering if that may be somewhat less than palatable to a lot of people.
Another sign the honeymoon is over.
That’s great! His response sounds like that one really hit close to home, and that Fox aired it really got under his skin.
Fox News: “Bring a real lawyer this time.”
(not an actual quote)
Rick Wilson, one of the founders of the Lincoln Project, reacts to Trump’s threat of a lawsuit.
(Yes, that’s Walter White at the start of the video.)
I know the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I did enjoy that.
It’s one thing to put out ads that call him an incomeptant corrupt traitorous rapist. But putting out an ad that threatens his grift revenue stream? That means war!
It sounds more like you have a different definition of “liberal” than most people. That’s why I asked how you were defining the term.
The fact that so many people disagree with you does not mean they are some “ivory tower liberals.” For example, I live in rural Arkansas. Most (but not all) of the people I know are conservatives. And we’re actually going to have to apply for food stamps, so you can hardly call consider me rich.
Having some liberal views is not generally considered enough to be a liberal. Moderates generally have a mix of liberal and conservative views. Libertarians often claim liberal views, saying they are “socially liberal but financially conservative.” Most progressives also share views with liberals to some degree, even. Sure, liberals don’t all agree with each other on everything, but they do have some standards.
You also seem to conflate lefty and liberal. Yes, there are leftwing people who are anti-vax. But they’re not generally considered liberals. They’re considered to be a lunatic fringe, while liberalism is part of the mainstream (along with progressives). Liberalism tends to define itself as accepting the science. The only people I know who use “lefty” and “liberal” as synonyms are people on the right, who think everyone to the left of them is liberal.
You actually give a useful metric, but you stop short. You state that prominent conservatives would not consider Rogan one of them. Fine. But the same is true of prominent liberals. So, by that metric, he is neither.
And, as I pointed out, he is a friend of the alt-right, because he has them on but doesn’t refute them. There is a debate among liberals on whether or not you should platform such people. But even those who say yes say that the goal is free speech, not spreading their ideas unchallenged. So not challenging them is a bad thing.
Even if Rogan is just an idiot, he’s a useful idiot to them. And that’s a problem, especially with someone as popular as he is. As was his pushing of anti-vax conspiracy nonsense–which he originally opposed, but changed his mind because of all the loonies he listened to. Loonies who were right wing.
But, if I had to give him a label, I’d probably go with “libertarian”, given the candidates he’s supported in the past. But, honestly, he just seems confused, without a consistent ideology. Sure, you can say most people are like that. But then I don’t see why you also consider those people to be “liberal.”
I’ll stick with what appears to be the consensus definition. I am a descriptivist after all.
For Republicans, and maybe I’m a sucker, but those guys ain’t all bad.
I’m on the fence. I can’t decide which is the more accurate parallel for the Lincoln Republicans:
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Post-Mussolini Italy, who declared war on Nazi Germany, but were designated “co-belligerents” rather than Allies;
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The Soviet Union under Stalin, definitely considered one of the Allies even though they were the nastier piece of work.
Bump.
As a rule I avoid listening to Fox whenever I can, but following the midterms felt it my patriotic duty to listen in. It seems the shift towards being openly critical of Trump and positive towards DeSantis appears to have accelerated quite a bit following the election.
That’s excellent! TFG might throw a tizzy now and mess with the Republicans by ignoring their pleas to not make any announcements regarding his prospective 2024 run until after the Warnock/Walker run-off in Georgia. Speculation is that would motivate and mobilize more Democrats to the polls to give Warnock the win. Excellent!
I prefer to quote Maxim 29 from Schlock Mercenary: 29. “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.” I think it fits this situation quite well.
Re: The Lincoln Project [w/apologies to Casablanca]
I blow with the wind and the prevailing wind happens to be from Vichy.
I referred to somebody else, on another thread, as clearly being a stateless grifter, but – at least for now – OUR stateless grifter.
Ditto the Lincoln Project.
I will also watch and wait to see if Rick Wilson went a skosh too far on this one. It’s always been my understanding the The Bright Red Line with TFG was to say/imply that his net worth was much lower than he claims. While not going there, per se, Wilson landed a couple of (generally viewed as) fairly low blows.
Good theater, regardless.
ETA: Nope. I just checked. It was actually the Lincoln Project to whom I referred elsewhere 
Republicans are largely blaming Trump for the lack of a Red Wave.
Not the first time Trump has had an issue with a ‘red wave’!