"Friends First", revisited

How long were you “friends first”?
Six years. Hubby DeathLlama and I met in college, spent four years being friends that were completely unattracted to each other (but having the hots for the other’s roomies!), then two years becoming very close and eventually best friends over the phone and email.

How was the transition accomplished?
This is my favorite story! There wasn’t a single word spoken…it was truly ethereal (didn’t want to use a cheesy word like “magical,” but it was!)

DL and I, plus a third mutual female friend, had taken off to the beach on a very late night, looking to make s’mores at a fire pit. We couldn’t find an open pit, so we ended up sitting on the beach, watching the waves. Eventually the three of us decided to lie down on the beach, with the mutual friend and I on either side of DL, resting our heads on his shoulders (didn’t want our hair in the sand).

In that position, my hand was on DL’s chest. Suddenly–not to be cliche, but it was seriously like flipping a light switch–the years of close friendship, all we’d been through together, the emotion I felt for this man just flooded through me and I started just lightly tracing on his chest with my finger. At this point, mutual friend is asleep. DL silently takes my hand, and we intertwine our fingers…he touches my face…he kisses my forehead…

…And that’s all there was to it. The next morning, in private, there was quite a bit of making out :smiley: followed by an “official” let’s be girlfriend/boyfriend talk.

How did it work out?
We dated for two years, were engaged for a year, and have been married for a little over two years now. He remains the best friend I’ve ever had, and our relationship is just…wow. :slight_smile:

1) How long were you friends first?

A couple of years. We had met when we worked at the same place, and we hung out with a group of co-workers. We weren’t what I would now call best friends, but we were fairly close.

2) How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how?

I think we were each putting out signals, looking back after nearly 20 years, but it didn’t really ‘click’ till one very cold night. I came home after work and crawled into bed with my coat on, and woke up to find him crawling in bed with me. I was completely floored, to put it mildly. I really did not have a clue that he felt anything for me.

3) How did it work out?

Badly. He was too young, and I was too clueless. We were so bad together that we couldn’t even break up well; we had to do it a few times to get it right! :rolleyes:

But through all the fits and starts we managed to preserve the friendship for a while, anyway - he was at my wedding, and visited me in the hospital when I had a baby. It kind of died out though as we went about our separate lives.

I don’t hold any hostility toward him; it just wasn’t meant to be.

This is 100% true for me, except change ‘her’ to ‘him.’

I am currently back with one of those failures… now that we have known each other several years (with a long break of not speaking between then and now), it has been a little easier, but still difficult. I think it would have been better to have become friends before getting involved again, but I think he was afraid I would become attached to someone else in the interim. (A valid concern, as I rarely stay “single” for long.)

It has been six months; it is really hard to say how long it will last.

All…I repeat…ALL my relationships with men were started with us just being friends. I’ve had about 8 boyfriends. I don’t know an exact number and I’m too tired to start straining my brain and naming off names.

My current boyfriend I have now we started out as friends. We were friends for about 3 months…went out…broke up…were friends for about 2 years…went out again…broke up again…stayed friends for another 3 years…then 2 years ago…he started giving me that look. That flirtatious look. That…I wanna be more than friends look. One day out of the blue I leaned over and kissed him and we’ve been together ever since.

I like being friends first. That way they know who I am, how I am, my past, my fears, my problems. Theres no surprises and nothing to hide.

Again, thanks for all of the responses. They have certainly been…educational. Before this thread descends into obscurity, I’d like to ask one more question. I suspect that I won’t like the answer to it, but the fight against ignorance (especially my own) isn’t always a pleasant one. So I ask:

  1. If the phrase “You’re like a brother to me” has been uttered, how does this affect the likelihood of moving from “friends” to a romantic relationship?

I realize, of course, (or think that I realize; please correct me if I’m wrong) that “like a brother” is usually a polite euphamism for “I don’t think of you that way.” In this case, however, I’m not so sure. The friend in question said this with no knowledge that I am interested in her as anything more than a friend. In fact, at the time she said it, I wasn’t interested in her as anything more than a friend. So I’m pretty sure she didn’t mean it in the “get lost” sense. Hence my confusion. So:

Guys: Any experience with this one?
or
Ladies: What does “like a brother” mean?

Thanks.

I’ve been in 2 “friends first” relationships. So -

1)How long were you “friends first”?
Guy 1 - 3 years
Guy 2 - 2 years

2)How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how?
Guy 1 - I’d always had a crush on him. He finally asked me out.
Guy 2 - Dated my friend. She dumped him, and me and him got closer after Guy 1 dumped me.

and of course,

3)How did it work out?
Guy 1 - Not well. Don’t ask.
Guy 2 - Debatable. I dumped him on Wednesday.

Well, 3.14…, when I say the “like a brother” phrase, I generally mean that I see the guy as someone I can really depend on, someone I know I can trust. It usually implies the relationship is just platonic. However, the feeling can change later on. When I was younger and not interested in boys, I thought of my SO as “a brother” to me. Obviously, that has changed. :slight_smile:

I think once the “brother” term has been used, you should move on. There is always the possibility the relationship could turn, but its unlikely to happen in the near turn (unlikely to happen at all, really unlikely to happen quickly).

When guy friends who I might be interested in, but wasn’t at the moment, came on to me, I wouldn’t do the brother thing. I would do the “I value the relationship too highly.” That meant - in my mind - that this person was potentially date-able, but not in whatever present screwed up state either of us was in. The brother thing was reserved for guys where there was NO chemistry. Kissing them would be like kissing a brother - ugggh! But this may just be me.

My most significant “friends first”: worked with him for about a year, while I was entangled in this torrid long-distance mess with a guy in Leningrad who I obviously didn’t see much. We used to hang out a fair amount, being about the same age and having a lot in common, but then a lot of people at that job were friendly with each other outside work. After I left that job, I hung out with him more and more, as it was becoming more and more difficult to sustain aforementioned torrid long-distance mess, what with the Iron Curtain and everything…and well, when a guy moves to Syria for a year and leaves no forwarding address, future prospects don’t look very bright.

My former co-worker and I were spending a large chunk of every weekend together by this point, including staying over at each other’s places (platonically, at least from my side, although I can’t make any representations about whatever impure thoughts he was having back then). Even his roommate thought we were an item months before we actually became one.

At some point, I guess I decided I’d pretty much given up on my guy in Leningrad…but was too chicken to tell Dude #2, who had expressed some less than platonic things by then in his usual somewhat shy, low-key way. So one night we were up late at my place, curled up on my futon, when he started asking me what it would take for me to give it a shot. I was thinking “you idiot, when are you going to kiss me?” but of course couldn’t make myself say it or take matters into my own hands, so I just told him I was thinking of an abstract noun, and thus our bizarre game of “hangman” started. Finally I blurted out, “Spontaneity, you goofball!” A very happy expression of comprehension flashed across his face, and well, let’s just say we made it official at that point.

All in all, it was about 18 months from first meeting to “officially” dating. The relationship lasted for 3 years, until I left for grad school. He’s a wonderful human being, and I have the highest respect for him, but in the end there were some important ways in which we were fundamentally incompatible. I still see him whenever he’s in town, though, which is once a year or so.

IMO, it doesn’t necessarily have any effect on the likelihood of a romantic relationship later on. (I say this having had some experience with that sort of statement, only to have the situation change later on.)

I think you’re going to have to look at whether or not she’s putting out any nonverbal cues. Does she go out of her way to talk to you? Does she touch you on the arm or shoulder, or playfully punch you? Does she make sure to hug you whenever you meet or part?

It’s been a long time since I’ve been single; can anyone else think of nonverbal cues that might help 3_14(…) get a bit more clarity on how she feels?

my current and hopefully final relationship is one of these.

we were very good friends for about 2 years. best friends really, talking to each other daily, slowly over that 2 years we realised we were seeing each other more than we were seeing our partners.

the reason we finally admitted a physical attraction and moved from best friends to lovers was when i admitted to having a sex dream about him. i said it more in a “ha ha sex dream isnt that silly” kind of way. he said it wasnt silly it was nice and it pleased him that i thought of him that way if only when dreaming.

that was 8 years ago.

1)How long were you “friends first”?

About a year. He says he found me attractive from the beginning, but I was totally, completely oblivious, occupied with other guys and personal issues. He dated about 6 girls during the time we were friends, and I knew about all of them. I had never, ever thought of him in that way until…

2)How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how?

While our group of friends flirts all the time, one night, on his birthday, I finally noticed he was paying attention to me. That got me thinking. After a week of awkward holding hands (me to my best friend: “What does that mean? That was more than just friend action, right?”), we ended up alone in a tent, on an air mattress for a weekend (WHY the rest of the people who came along decided to sleep in the car, I will never understand). He kissed me. I was happy about it.
3)How did it work out?

Very well. We’re stll together and very happy three years later. Two interesting points:

  • Yes, it can happen that someone who completely and totally does not think of you in that way CAN think of you in that way.

  • As I mentioned, I was quite aware of his activities when we were just friends. This has led to (oddly) me being very comfortable with most of his exes and comfortable knowing a lot about them, as well as the nature of his previous relationships. I think that if I had dated him before finding all this out, I would have been made uncomfortable by it. However, I kind of like being able to talk about it with him. It makes me feel closer to him, he doesn’t have to hide anything from me, and I feel more like I know about all aspects of his life.

  1. #1-- 3 or 4 months.
    #2-- between 3 and 4 years.

  2. #1-- I had a crush on him almost from the beginning; this got around to him (or so I’m told) so I guess I technically suggested it first, which he did not acknowledge or address with me at the time. A few months later, when we’ve become very good friends and I’ve all but forgotten about my previous feelings, he decides he wants to be with me and suddenly tells me so one night. He caught me off guard, to say the least–it took me a day or two to regain equilibrium, during which I recognized that I did still have feelings for him and soon after I told him this we became official.
    #2-- Him. Definitely him. Throughout the 4 years we were friends and even while I was with #1, he (I thought jokingly!) suggested it 10 times or more. He used to say, “Man, if you ever break up with #1, I’ll take you”, and stuff like that. I was not, not, not interested; in fact I was strongly against the idea for at least the first 2, 2 & a half years (he was orders of magnitude less physically attractive then, and not confident at all, and bitter about it). Once during this period he tried to play footsie with me when we were sleeping in the same bed (which we did often, so it wasn’t just the circumstances), but I pretended I was asleep to save him the embarassment, and that’s when it kind of dawned on me that he hadn’t been kidding all those years. Time wore on, and it was never mentioned, nor was it ever painfully obvious that he was pining for me or anything like that. We hung out increasingly often, but it never seemed a conscious or more-than-platonic effort on either of our parts, until our parents started teasing us about it, which kind of embarassed us so that it felt like we were living up to their expectations every time we hung out.

We were friends for about seven months: from the time my Freshman year of high school started until March.

We had a mutual friend, and we hung out for a while because of that mutual friend. She thought I was an asshole at first, probably rightfully so. We didn’t become good friends until January or so, when we actually started talking to each other. Mostly on the Internet and alone after school. And there was plenty of flirting, I’m sure, and I’m really not any sort of flirt.

One rainy Friday night, we were talking online about relationships and stuff. I was talking to her about a secret crush I had (which was really her) but I was afraid that she wouldn’t be interested in me if she thought I was having a crush on another girl, so I told her that I didn’t really like this other girl anymore. Apparently she was thinking that it was her all along, and she said, “she doesnt know what she is missing”, and then “or maybe she does”. Then she signed off and I talked to her about it the next day. It was all very juvenile and sweet; I still have the AIM conversation saved on my computer.

We’ve been together for three and a half years this September. We have plans together, and we’re more in love than ever.

We’re a very rare case, I think. Someone I talked to before on these very boards explained it much better. I’m sure it was because we were so juvenile and sweet that it got started and kept up so long.

I don’t think “friends first” works well, especially if that is the plan from the start, and even if it just sort of happens. It can work, though; it is just rare.

Dammit, I accidentally pushed the submit button before I was done!! Eediot.
Well, here’s the rest.

…so, suddenly I was moving away soon, and we were utterly drunk at a friend’s July 4th party, and he more or less just spilled his guts. I was very thrown off, didn’t know what to do, but kissed him all night anyway because it felt right and thus it began.

  1. #1-- Not too badly. We were together almost a year, and he broke my heart in the end, but he did the sensible thing at the time and we’ve been able to maintain a great bond over the last few years. There’s still an attraction, no doubt; we’re still very compatible people and I’m pretty sure I know what might happen under different circumstances, but I won’t dwell on it while those circumstances exist.
    #2-- We’ve been together 3 years now, and I’m pretty sure he’s the one. Being friends with him first was definitely an advantage, because for one, if I hadn’t known about all his little quirks and peeves beforehand I doubt I could have handled discovering them myself. (…And vice versa, I’m sure.) For another, we experienced a lot of things together, so we really understand where each other is coming from and it’s easy for us to put ourselves in the other’s shoes-- we can generally predict how the other person will think or act in a given situation, which prevents or quickly diffuses a lot of potential arguments (we still argue plenty, so I can only imagine…!). But the best thing about it by far is the trust. We don’t doubt each other for a second, we have no jealousy issues, and we’re each free to live our own lives without fear of being grilled afterward or being cheated on. And IMHO freedom, paradoxically enough, is one of the most important things in a relationship.

Sounds a lot like my situation. Nice to know I have a chance.

My high school sweetheart and I were “friends first” he was the BEST and the “high water mark” for years after that.

My current boyfriend and I were good friends for about 2 and a half years first, the last 5 months of which we were dance partners. We’ve been together 7 years including our friendship.

It was a slow realization on my part and was a very fun romantic time. I’ve dated a lot over the years and had several long term committed relationships and this one has definitely been the cream of the crop!!!

I’m leaving the state at the end of the year (long, complicated story, it’s completely amicable and we’ll remain close), but when I go looking again, if I do, I’ll likely hope to go the “friends first” route again.

IMHO, it’s the best way.

Oops, I forgot to answer all of the questions.

2)How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how?
We were dance partners for about 5 months before he finally asked me out, as I learned partners dances, the attraction just sort of grew and grew.

3)How did it work out?

Great for most of the 5 years we’ve been together as a couple. we’re separating for reasons outside of how we get along or whether or not we still love each other.

Well enough that I’ll go this route again, OVER any other method.

I’ve done this twice. 17 year-old female, if that helps.

The first was…well, it was a largely horrible relationship, probably because it was my first legitimate one and I didn’t know what I was doing and we dated out of convienance. The second thus far has been very, very good, and is with not just my former friend, but my best friend, Mudshark.
Guy 1:

  1. How long were you “friends first”? We were friends with the same people, and aquaintances with each other first, and became friends over the course of a month or two. After that we were friends for another three or four months.

2)How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how? Well, he and a few mutual friends of ours all were dateless for Valentine’s Day, so we planned to go to the movies together rather than sit at home and do nothing. The other people all cancled, and he called me and we went together–as friends though. He called me a couple times after that, talked with me at parties more than usual, and eventually he asked if we could be “more than friends” in an e-mail, a method I normally wouldn’t reccomend. It worked that time though.

3)How did it work out? Not well. We were never really really good friends before, so I didn’t know as much about him as one might expect. He was a tremendously large momma’s boy, had a very quick temper, and didn’t have much else going for him. I’d dated him mainly because he was funny and I’d thought he was a nice guy, and because he seemed interested, when most other guys had just seemed intimidated. We broke up after another of my former friends went after him, then they broke up, he whined and appologized and I agreed to see him again, unexclusively, against my better judgment. (In my defense, I’d just been diagnosed with depression–the real deal here, it runs in my family and everything) and was trying to find a suitable anti-depressant,. I wasn’t in my right mind…or so I tell myself ;)). Eventually he broke up with me again, after becoming extremely stand-offish for no other reason than that we’d had an awkward sexual experience. (Yeah, “awkward sexual experience.” I’m leaving it at that).
Mudshark:
1)How long were you “friends first”? A fairly long time. We were friends for a year and a half total, best friends for at least six months.

2)How was the transition accomplished, i.e. Who suggested the idea of being more than “friends”, and how? Well, technically he did, in that he asked me to date him, but it was building in advance for a long time. We did everything together, knew almost everything about each other, and a month or so before, after it became evident we liked each other (though neither of us knew what to do), I cut his hair, we went to Homecoming together, and eventually I offered to teach him how to kiss. A few weeks after the kissing incident we were alone in his bedroom listening to music before some of our other friends showed up to watch movies, and he officially asked. It was considerably overdue, but in some ways I’m glad we waited as long as we did.

3)How did it work out? So far, so good. The only real change from when we were “just friends” is that we now get each other off and stare at each other cheesily for long periods of time (despite priviously stating that we’d never cheesily stare at people we’re dating). We can still talk about anything (like, which musician would you rather have sex with, Grace Slick or Stevie Nicks, and it’s perfectly okay [in fact, it’s encouraged cos it’s stimulating conversation)]. On the twenty-first, we’ll have been dating officially for 5 months.

Anyway, Good luck, 3.14, even if my reply did nothing to effect the statistics either way, what with the one point for each side thing and all.