Fringe 11/11

No - we’ll end this season the way they ended that episode where he went to 2026 - he’ll wake up surrounded by everyone after he entered the machine, and this entire season will not have happened - they’re doing the time warp again.

and it’s driving me insane.

Wow, you’ve really given this a lot of thought. But I think that since the Observers can see multiple time scenarios at the same time I don’t think they’d get trapped in a time loop.

My thoughts and questions are:

While we now know that Peter had to live in order to operate the machine, who operated it in the new Peterless timeline?

Peter was needed to operate the machine to bring the two universes together and it seems like it was the Observers plans all along, yet if one of the observers hadn’t accidentally prevented Walternate from finding a cure, our Walter would have never gone over in the first place to save Peter and the machine to fix his damage would be unnecessary. Unless maybe Walter was going to cross over for one reason or another anyway.

The Observers seem to act like it’s necessary for Peter to be written out of existence, but there’s no good reason why. I’ll be surprised if the writers give a good reason why.
Remember the tunneling capsules in season 1? One of the observers said he’d give answers about them. He never did.

I’ve loved time travel fiction for a long long time, but you have to be careful with how you do it or else it isn’t very satisfying.

That’s also not the house he lived in before going to the psychiatric hospital, but the one he and Peter bought after they got tired of living in a hotel. How shut in living in the lab Walter came to own it is a bigger mystery than a flatscreen to me.

Actually, I want Peter dead and gone. Forever. Possibly with his butchered corpse atomized and smeared across a thousand universes.

Olivia/Fauxlivia & Peter have anti-chemistry. They generate negative chemistry. Bob Dole and Al Gore’s offspring would have more charisma than Livia/Peter.

Kill him dead!

And then maybe hook Olivia up with Lincoln. Or bring Charlie back from the dead and hook Olivia up with him (they had chemistry). Or get that orangutan that showed up on a few episodes of Murphy Brown and have Olivia date him.

(I’m not a Peter fan. I know I’m shy about it so it’s hard to tell, but I thought everyone should know. :smiley: )

Maybe that’s the answer. Did Broyles says Walter ever lived in that house, or just owned it? In this timeline maybe Walter bought the house as an investment and the previous tenants moved out a while ago. Of course, the amount of dusty spiderwebs indicate that its been uninhabited for a long time, like well before flatscreen TVs. So I’m back to thinking it’s a goof.

In some interview I watched with Joshua Jackson he said something to effect that erasing Peter was necessary to end the Peter saga. If that was supposed to take focus off of Peter it didn’t work, seeing as how he’s in the middle of everything happening right now.

I’m pretty certain that Joshua Jackson is the main star of the show and he’ll get more screen time and feature more prominently than any of the other cast members.

They may have thought that at the start of the show’s production, but his character has never been central, just pivotal to the whole saga they built up. It’s pretty clear from almost day one that Walter/John Noble turned out to be the true star. And he’d probably argue that it’s a pretty even blend of everyone, and it’s the arc that’s the star.

So, since the Fringe Div is unaware of the Observers, this must be because the Observers don’t care to reveal themselves here, or that this universe is of no interest to them, now that the Observer clan thinks Peter’s death has been restored and the space-time continuum is stable again. (of course, they apparently haven’t realized Observer #1 couldn’t go through with the Peter Eraser Machine).

But, why are they so interested in Peter? Even in this 'verse, he’s dead, but the two universes are unstable still, correct?

There must be something we don’t know about the consequences of Peter living in the bigger picture the Observers see. Something down the line…

Although, if they do go full-circle, and it was adult Peter that convinces the Observer to save his child self… I’d be curious where they’d go from there.

Eventually, the end game would be filling us in on what, where, when and why the Observers are. And why are they so obsessed with Peter?

Or maybe it’s Olivia who convinces the Observer?

I’d have thought that Olivia was intended to be the star. Everything revolves around her. I think Walter ended up taking over the show and it’s mostly an ensemble now.

Removed

Fairly simplistic, but it is still quite easy to come up with a workable explanation:

The removal of Peter from “ou” Universe instead created a whole new Universe without Peter (a riff on one method of time travel used in science fiction: that when traveling back in time one creates a whole new universe and travels to that, thus avoiding temporal paradoxes) but for some reason, possibly due to the machine, “our” Peter leaked into the other Universe instead of staying where he was. So not only do we have a Universe with a Peter that no one recognises, there is also “our” Universe, so far unseen in this season, where Peter is missing but everyone does remember him. The appearances of Peter before he appeared in the water are a result of the bleed, he didn’t jump completely into the universe, it was a process whereby firstly the equivalents of those closest to him in “our” universe were made aware of him.

It would also explain why we have another new colour for the title sequence.

I can’t help but compare them to what they are so obviously based on, the Watchers from the Marvel Comics Multiverse.

There so often they can’t help but fiddling and interfering even though they are not supposed to. I saw the pulling Peter out as the exact same thing.

He pulled Peter out to undo his mistake of accidentally stopping Walternate from finding the cure to Peter’s disease.

Wouldn’t that have been meddling as well?

he had been fussed at for distracting walternate and told to fix it.

whatever. just hope it all gets wrapped up decently if Fox cancels it this season. I’ll be so mad if it’s another “Lost” debacle.

I thought this was already stated as being the final season. Have I got that wrong? Anyone?

Wait, what? This is the final season??

Thinking about it, I may be confusing things with Chuck.

Apologies all having heart attacks.