From Where I Sit: A Liberal Southern Belle's Point of View

In reading articles leading up to the Women’s March on Washington, I kept coming across that word “intersectionality”. This seems to be a new buzz word, if I am understanding it properly, to describe overlapping connections of race, class, and gender, and it occurred to me I have some unique intersectionality of my own, which often, and especially of late, has left me feeling like a stranger among my own friends, family, and co-workers.

As a girl growing up in rural South Georgia, I have always felt like that square peg in a round hole person, and there are multiple factors that have contributed to that over my life, which I won’t bore you to tears with, unless you ask me. I’ll be glad to tell you anything your heart desires to know about the South or Southerners, or Rednecks, or Crackers, or Straight-up Trash. You see, I like to consider myself sort of a Dixie Anthropologist. I’ve spent my life among them. I know their ways.

But I will also tell you the answer probably isn’t as simple as you think.

I don’t want this to just be another election rant, goodness knows we have all been subjected to enough of those! However, I want to say that I spent MONTHS begging people PLEASE do not vote for Donald Trump! He does not care about you, he cannot relate, in any kind of a real way, to the actual day-to-day struggles you are going through! He’s no different than the old-time Dixiecrats like Eugene Talmadge who promised “I am a friend of the working man! I gonna help you!” All the while smiling in people’s faces, telling them everything they want to hear while caring about nothing more than keeping he and his cronies in power. It was old-fashioned divide & conquer politics. Their biggest fear was that poor white sharecroppers and poor black sharecroppers might actually start talking to each other and realize how much they had in common and unite against a power structure that was keeping them both locked in a cycle of poverty. To me, DT is cut from that same cloth. He’s divisive, just like Talmadge. He will do far more harm than good in the long run, just like Talmadge. Talmadge actually fought FDR (who had a deep love for Georgia) when it came to New Deal policies in Georgia that would raise the standard of living for the poor. Talmadge’s philosophy on voters was simple. Cut the black people out of the political process, and keep everyone just as poor, and dumb, and sick as possible, keep them hating each other…and they’ll keep voting for me and believing my lies.

How is Trump any different? He seems to have the same play book.

I have talked until I am blue in the face. And still, rural white people fell for a vulgar Carnival Barker. I am embarrassed. I am scared. I am heartsick.

And, while it is true that there are indeed people in rural Georgia who are just dumber than a wet brick, it’s not that people around here are ALL necessarily ignorant or ill-informed. They read, they watch news from a variety of sources, but it just seems we aren’t hearing the same things. Trump’s Inaugural speech did not translate the same between urban and rural populations. It’s as if 2 completely different speeches were heard.

And speaking of the Inauguration, I am giddy, positively THRILLED DT’s ceremony was abysmal and downright tacky! And Melania is a vapid, walking coat hanger. BUT…here’s one of those areas of intersectionality:

I was at my sister’s house yesterday, and I got into good discussion with my brother-in-law (they both voted Trump, he’s an engineer, she’s a Registered Dietician), about the comparisons of the crowds and attendance between 2009 and 2017 Inaugurals. We both agreed, the media and people on Facebook who are pointing and laughing are kinda missing the point on exactly why this happened. We both agreed, the reasons for lower attendance in 2017 were likely:

  1. It’s an apples to oranges comparison. 2 completely different dynamics happening.
  2. Many people who voted Trump couldn’t afford to go. Who has money for plane tickets and a DC hotel when you are worrying about buying groceries?
  3. And speaking of Washington, DC, for people who live in rural areas and small towns, DC might as well be a foreign country. In addition to lacking resources for the trip, there’s the added barriers of not knowing how to negotiate airports, public transit, and the like. All these things are familiar to urbanites, but not to people who don’t travel much beyond a day car trip.
  4. There’s also they knowledge that there were going to be mass protests and that city people don’t like you. People were afraid of bodily harm and too many unknown factors.

All these things added up, IMO, to keep alot of Trump’s flag-wavers and cheerleaders at home and watching it on TV.

One argument I saw in the back and forth arguments online between Trump supporters and Anti-trump folks online, was a supporter would say, “Trump’s people have jobs! They had to work!” and the argument coming back would be “I thought you people said you didn’t have jobs, so which is it?” Well, my answer to that is, where I usually find myself, in the middle. Many people who supported Trump are underemployed in a job with low pay, which means they have to work every hour they can, to make every dollar they can. But I digress…

Where Brother-in-law and I lost our common intersectionality on this discussion, was when Spicer came out with that mortifying statement about how the press misrepresented the crowds. BIL thought it was something that needed to be said. He was all, “Good for him!” I looked at my Brother-in-law, and I swannie to God, I thought I was going to have a dyin’ duck fit right there! Really? Can you not SEE that this is prime example of how Trump does NOT understand the people that voted for him? Nor does he appear to care about you! Trump’s little mouthpiece Spicer could have given any one of the reasons we named above to explain the low attendance, but NOOOOOO, he’s going with the ol’ “Are you gonna believe your eyes or what I tell you?” tactic. This shows all they care about is saving their own face, making themselves look good, and to Hades with any reasonable explanation that might generate a little empathy. I told BIL that if he thinks Trump is going to do anything to try and bring people together with divisive comments like this, well, then, he’s about as sharp as a marble. And these are educated people with advanced degrees! Gives me a migraine, I am telling you!

This is what happens when people vote angry and with their middle finger.

It doesn’t mean that their grievances aren’t legitimate, but they have chosen an instrument which is altogether wrong.

I am a person who has always known myself and my own mind, and even I don’t know what to think about all this sometimes. The divides are getting deeper and deeper, and it gets harder and harder to straddle them. The optimist in me hopes that we can work to find common grounds with each other, and still be friends and neighbors and just agree to disagree in some areas. But we have to keep talking to, and not at, each other. That’s what I can do, and that’s why I needed to get these thoughts out of my head and into the world somewhere.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading, and ask me anything. I do have quite a few stories.

Here’s a parting entertaining tidbit from the inside. Quote from my mother, on Nov 9: “This is the best thing to happen to this country since Eisenhower!”

Help.

What is the funniest thing you’ve seen at a Waffle House?

Well, this is our funniest family story associated with a Waffle House.

My stepfather was a small business owner and traveled GA, AL, & North FL. He always went to Waffle Houses because he said he felt sorry for anyone who had to work in a Waffle House, so he liked to give the waitresses nice tips. And he liked their coffee.

We lived in South Georgia in a little town right on I-75, and my sister, same one mentioned in my post above, was very wild in her teen years, she was the kid who threw parties when the parents were gone that trashed the house and would have all these people there she didn’t even know, etc…

I am going to use fake names in this next part, to protect anybody that might be innocent, and my not-so-innocent sister.

So Daddy goes into a Waffle House in North Florida, sits down at the counter, and being the type that never meets a stranger, strikes up a conversation with the guy on the next stool. Daddy says, “Hi, my name is Jim Wagner” and the guy on the other stool says, “Wagner? I know a girl named Shelly Wagner…ooh wee, she showed me a good time, we had a bad-ass party at her house one night!” Daddy’s reply was “Really? That’s my daughter…”

The guy got up and left.

Oh, and I also meant to add, that I have, more than once, when angry with this particular said sister, said to her, “It must give you such an accomplished feeling to know that you are notoriously well-known on the Waffle House circuit.”
:smiley:

I have also lived both worlds. I grew up in northeastern TN. The majority of my Facebook friends from home support Trump. I see what you’re saying about us hearing different speeches. It’s not as if I come from the “rich part of town.” We had years when we could have gotten food stamps. I come from hard working people who often just got by. A guy who lives in a gilded penthouse in Manhattan is for the little guy? I just ain’t hearing that. Why didn’t he invest in reopening a shuttered factory in the rust belt or south to manufacture the clothes that bear his name. I don’t see where he’s ever walked the walk. A lot of folks seemed willing to overlook The Donald’s faults, but not HRC’s. Many voted form him not because of his racist, xenophobic comment but in spite of them (that’s my opinion, and I’m not saying there aren’t people who voted for him because of them). I just hope people realize it soon if they’ve indeed been conned.

Were you near Valdosta? I lived on the Florida side of the line for two years, and shopped weekly in Valdosta.

That’s an excellent point you make regarding why he didn’t come and open businesses in these depressed areas. I’m going to remember that for future reference!

As you know, the people in these places are hard-working, and proud. They are also so completely tired of being the butt of everybody’s jokes. And if Trump cared at all about the actual people, and not getting even for being insulted at a press dinner years ago, he would have invested and played a role in revitalizing communities.

You are also correct and i agree with you in that some people voted for him in spite of, and not because of, the racist and/or other controversial stuff he said. The talk I hear is that folks are tone deaf to these accusations now, to the point that it is meaningless to them because they feel it is overused. However, I also hear these same comments followed up with sometimes, that the overuse and tonedeafness is bad, because it does water down real cases to the point that those don’t get the attention they deserve.

The president always has the same tools, the same controls… its what they do with them.
Let me use an analogy that I’m sure never happens by you (but might by me).

Think of it as a big screen TV after a family get together. Yes, there’s always two or three people who seem to use the remote to make sure football is on after dinner. They never helps with the dishes… and that pisses you off.
So, one time, you throw a fit, hide the remote by giving it to the kids to play with, and kick them out of the TV room to help with the dishes.

Its only after everyone leaves that you find that the remote is now broken, all your cable channels are password parental locked out (not your password), and your TV has all the network channels on all your favorite shows set to broadcast in Russian.
(You don’t speak Russian.)

Now you were pissed. You threw a tantrum. You may feel good about that right afterward.

But when you see the repair bill to pay for The Hell That Has Been Wrought, you just might realize that it was just not worth it.

North of that in Dooly County. A county which now has the dubious distinction of being the home of worst school system in Georgia. The School Board all just got dismissed and the accreditation yanked.

I live on the Georgia coast now, as do most of my family, but my stepfather is rolling in his grave, I am sure. He was on the city council, school board, deacon in the church, and this was his childhood home. He loved that community dearly, and he and a few other key individuals were instrumental in the early 70s with getting the superintendent of the schools at the time, who had been there for decades and blocking integration, removed and replaced with someone who would move forward and unite people.

There was an all-white private school out in the county for the rich farmer’s kids, and Daddy hated it. He believed so much in public education, and I recall tagging along for various meetings he would have and he was always trying to get these farmers to put their kids in the public school and convince them how much stronger it would be if all the kids were in the same school together. He made some good changes for a time, but died of a sudden heart attack in 1993, and without his influence and ability to bridge racial and social gaps, a slide down a slippery slope started. I am not saying he was a one-man show, but he had an enviable ability to motivate people. It’s a sad, shabby little town, now. It makes me very sad to see it when i have to go back, so I don’t unless I have to these days.

But I have lots of stories about going to an 85% black school in the 70s and early 80s. :smiley: A lot of that knowledge has served me well through the years! And I am telling you…there was nothing, NOTHING like being in the 7th grade in 1977 in an 85% black school and Roots has been airing on TV every night. Lordy.

That’s a very good analogy. Because, I wasn’t some huge Hillary fan girl by a long shot, but I held my nose and voted for her, (just let the football lovers keep the damn remote for now) because the other choice was just not an option for me.

I am one to hope for grassroots change and getting to work in your local community. Albeit, I do have to acknowledge that it is harder for rural people to network and form alliances, but it can be done, it’s not impossible.

Donald Trump was elected by the TV people. Specifically, the fake wrestling and reality TV crowd. Get used to it.

Well, I am trying. And obviously I do have to get used to it. For now. But what I can’t get used to, and never will, is being lumped into the “TV people” and stereotyped because of where I am from or what I look like and sound like. That’s a fight I am willing to take on, everyday, all day.

I also know that there are no simple explanations of how we had wound up where we are. I don’t see it as just a good guys versus bad guys, or a right or wrong situation. To me, arguing about right or wrong isn’t what will help in the long term. It is discussion, healthy debate, open-mindedness, and not demonizing each other. I think we all have something to learn from each other, so everyone, on all sides has some listening and learning to do. And if we can even laugh at ourselves along the way a little bit, I am all for that, too!

The people who are drunk on victory right now should also realize that our system is designed to go back and forth, and just as the Democrats were sitting pretty in 2009, we see that can all change. One thing that makes me happy right now, is the delight I take in reminding my family and friends of this!

So again, I’ll adjust my sails and weather this storm. For now.

I got this far. The rest, tl;dr.

You expect me to believe that Hillary and Obama care about us, but not Trump? Seriously? Pull the other one.

Yeah! Why would anyone assume that people who have dedicated their entire lives to public service would care about us more than a thin-skinned narcissist whose main business practice involves not paying people and threatening to sue them? It makes no sense.

I am altogether aware that politicians are politicians, and they all lie to us and do what they have to do to keep themselves all happy as ticks on a fat dog once they get into office, AND I also realize that a fair chunk of Americans felt in this cycle they had a choice between a female who is so greedy you could give her Heaven and Earth and she’d still want a tater patch in Hell and a man who has so many vacancies in his Grey Matter Hotel that if a rational thought ever checked in it would die of loneliness!

I have voted both Republican and Democrat in my life, and I really tried to make heads or tails of some of Trumps ramblings early on, and on those rare occasions that I might not disagree with the overall point he was trying to make, he was so bleeping ham-fisted about the way he went about trying to make said point that he ruined the sentiment entirely! He’s as eloquent as an anvil.

I went with the greedy woman. She’s sneaky as a rat, and you have to watch her like a hawk, but at least she’s not lost as last year’s Easter Egg when it comes to politics.

Look, I know they all piss down our backs and tell us it’s raining, and Hillary was wrong about a lot of things, but at least she was wrong within some kind of parameter of normalness. I agree she isn’t warm, and many of her attempts to connect miss, but I do think somewhere in there among all her self-serving attitudes, she cares.

If we want to just talk about altruism, I certainly think she has more than him. Hers might just be a speck of a kernel, but with Trump, I sense nothing but ego and insincerity.

The devil that you know is often a better choice than the one that you don’t.

As P-man said in post #5, if Trump cares so much about the ravaged communities in rural America, years ago he would have moved some of his business interests there and worked to revitalize a few of those areas with fair business practices that built connections and lifted people up. And he still would have made money. But we see how and where he has chosen to practice business.

This whole run for the presidency is a revenge ego trip because his tender little feelings got hurt at that press dinner some years back. It ain’t about us, it’s about him.

But we are surely stuck with him now. At least for the time being. My first hope is that someone will help him learn what a worm with a hook in it looks like, because he takes the bait far too easily and far too often!

One thing I haven’t seen addressed is his campaign to bring jobs back to the US and punish any company that offshores work. He’s a Big Corporate CEO. The pro-labor stance seems contradictory to me. Have any of his businesses offshored labor in the past?

I am sorry, I don’t believe that a woman that dedicated her life, from an early age, to pursuit of power at any cost, including personal humiliation, is in any way more “altruistic” than someone who has achieved everything he wanted in life outside of politics and could have easily continued to coast on his laurels (to coin a phrase), but chose instead to subject himself to the brutal and exhausting campaigning schedule in order to help the country (whether you agree with him on his methods to help it or not).

On a 1-5 scale of altruistic tendency, where would you place each of the above?

Come on, look back at the 70+ years of Trump’s existence. There is nothing to suggest that he is anything other than a money-grabbing shyster, serial litigator and self-proclaimed sex-pest. The best that can be said about him is that he inherited a fortune and has yet to lose it all. His business acumen consists of self-promotion and buying property.

He cares not one flying fuck about the poor and needy and has been displaying that to everyone who’ll listen for all of his adult life.

He seems incapable of comprehending what “No” “Can’t” and “Won’t” mean and does not display the ability to listen to conflicting opinions or accept uncomfortable facts.

Apart from that…yeah, great choice of president and a truly towering political colossus.

He’s not a big corporate CEO in the way those words are normally used. He’s the head of a group of 500 or so entities that are involved in owning real estate, licensing the Trump name, and in some cases actually operating hotels and golf courses. Based on published guesses about revenue for all of these entities, the Trump Organization wouldn’t be in the Fortune 500. Certainly in terms of number of employees or total value, the Trump Organization is not in the big leagues among corporations either.

Most of his employees are in hospitality-related jobs. Those jobs are pretty hard to outsource. He has a history of being anti-labor.