Frumpy girlfriend

Oops. I must have confused you with kambuckta. Not my fault, though. How am I supposed to tell all you furriner people apart when you all wash daily?

I thought it was **English **beer that was like making love in a canoe?

No, it’s American beer (cite, jump to a minute in).

Good lord no. English beer may be sour, flat and warm (or as we say, “bitter, still, served with the chill off”) but it generally has both flavour and alcohol content.

You’re the one who made this about nationality in the first place, with your “Is this an American thing?” comment. Why would it be? The only reason you’d think that is if you bought into the completely wrongheaded “Americans are lazy” meme.

Whether or not Americans work harder than Europeans may be irrelevant, but it seems you personally don’t understand what’s like to work long hours at a physically exhausting job.

Anyone who wakes up at at 4 or 5 AM every weekday and works well into the late afternoon at a physically demanding job, is not “lazy” by any reasonable definition, regardless of what they decide to do when they get home.

And post pics here for us to properly critique your judgement in the matter.

But seriously, just end it already. Why waste her time when you could be out scoring with all of those 10’s who are out there just waiting for a guy like you to rock their world. Be sure to wear more Axe Body Spray than normal though to increase your chances (not that you need the help, right!!!???)

Well, I don’t know if the OP is a troll or not; however, assuming he’s sincere (and he seems sincere, so what the hell) I feel kind of bad for him.

I have to be honest, if my husband quit making any effort with grooming and refused to move off the sofa or do much of anything I would be bummed. He starts work at about 6:45 AM, works hard all day (he’s an industrial electrician) and he still manages to shower and put at least 2 seconds of thought into what he’s wearing.

I don’t think wanting/expecting your SO to make a minimum of effort to look decent is really that nasty of an expectation.

That being said, OP, is there a chance that your SO is depressed? Perhaps you should figure that out before you leave the relationship if you and she really are as compatable as you think.

I thought of this right away.

I just happen to be tired of hearing American-bashing from pig-ignorant European jackasses. Especially when the American-bashing is that old fucking lie about American “laziness”. Laziness, my ass.

Only a vapid shallow moron would judge someone’s personal pride by their appearance. Personal appearance is the least important facet of someone’s entire being and character. And I find that those that spend the most time fussing about their personal appearance usually have little more to offer the world than that.

Pride yourself on what’s inside. That’s where your “personal pride” should be.

That said, prettying up for your soulmate is a nice thing to do for them.

He did not want her vagina! Incredible! I thought she was way hotter than those other three in a hot, trashy kind of way. I think she would have crazy monkey sex and would swallow, and I’ll bet she has a wild and untamed love nest. Yum!

You help pick out her clothes and you get a hair cut every 2 weeks? You might not be looking for a girlfriend.

I don’t even shave every 2 weeks.

You don’t mess with couch time. My old lady doesn’t mess with my couch time, I don’t mess with hers.

Just dump her, she’ll probably thank you. Getting rid of a whiny prissy pain in the ass that’s trying to “change” her.

Then again, I’ve been kind of in the same situation, and it wasn’t the frumpy thing, I just didn’t like her and had to find excuses why. You just don’t like her.

The next one can sit on the couch, in the same crappy t-shirt for nights on end (same toothpaste stain), and you’ll be happy. Of course she won’t have fat toes, but that’s neither here nor there.

bubba jr and kiz, have y’all met? You may have found your soulmate right here on the SDMB.

Only on the Dope will people act like an expectation of basic hygiene and pride in appearance is outrageous and superficial.

Basic hygiene? Necessary and expected.

Pride in appearance? Outrageous? No. Superficial? Yes.

An expectation of pride in appearance? Presumption and arrogance about others.

Given your hardcore American work schedule, perhaps you should take this time to wash up a bit, Two Many Cats. :wink:

Oh, I got plenty of time now that I’m out of work. It feels almost European.:wink:

I can kinda understand the frumpy clothes, There was a time where I felt so badly about myself that I just didn’t where anything that was form fitting. I wasn’t over weight, I just didn’t like my body, and wanted to hide…but I always wore makeup…

Then I got a job where I wasn’t allowed to where makeup… and when I came home I just didn’t feel like going through it, but I didn’t live with my boyfriend at the time, so I could hide out.

I go through phases though, where I wouldn’t dress up at all, like I had no reason to dress up. I felt like I should be loved anyway.

I had a boyfiend like that once… bad hygiene, it didn’t work out… but we didn’t “connect” like you said you do with this girl… definately ask her to wear something and give her lots of compliments about how her make up makes her look gorgeous and things like that if you want to make it last… maybe even qut that job that has her in a rut, and find one that makes you dress up more. I am always trying to repeat something my boyfriend compliments :slight_smile:

An average doesn’t really tell you much about a dataset. It drives me daft when people just throw averages around as if they’re meaningful. Consider the following two sequences of numbers:

A: 0 500 1000
B: 749 750 751

What is the average of these two respective datasets? It’s the same in both cases, yet the data in each sequence is wildly different. Without some measure of the spread of the data you have no real idea what the underlying dataset is really like by just examining averages.

Further, note in addition that what Two Many Cats posted was an average of averages for the EU. First, trying to meaningfully compare data across the EU is pretty fraught, as the recent Greek crisis has shown us. According to official Greek statistics, at least until recently, Greeks were working more hours than Germans and the British. With respect, I suspect there’s a little gaming going on in all sets of official statistics, both to make it appear like we’re working less in some countries, and to make it appear that we’re working more in others. Further, the average of the average is not the average of the dataset! It’s simply incorrect to say that the average number of working hours in the EU is what that website claimed it was.

Further, why are we even comparing the EU to the US anyway? Bucketybuck is not an EU citizen, at least not in any meaningful sense. As far as I’m aware, he’s Irish, a nation that works the same hours as the British. It makes no sense to group the likes of Greece and Ireland together to talk about working hours and practices. According to that site, the British work just four hours per week less than Americans, on average, or just less than an hour a day more. Hardly a massive burden which should be flooring Americans at the end of a shift but be leaving the British full of vim and vitality.

Finally, I contend that total working hours aren’t really that important. Out of the guy working flat out for four hours and the guy lazing around for a full eight hour shift, who should be the most exhausted? To properly analyse this, working hours should be ignored and total productivity should be examined. And by most measures, the most productive nation on Earth is the French … that country well known for a lack of effort in how they dress and present themselves.

An OP about a girlfriend’s appearance turns into a debate on American vs. European work schedules, which turns into a discussion about beer.

I love the SDMB. Don’t ever change.

Picked one at random out of several.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong in not finding someone attractive; it is biology, it is what it is. IAmNotPaulAvery cannot change that any more than he can change his height. Do the people here calling him as shallow asswipe find anybody and everybody attractive? Really? BBWs, starving children, great-grandparents, MILFs, starlettes, himbos, all of them? If anybody does, there’s probably a term in the DSM for that condition.

IANPA, have you tried to talk with her about the skin problem? My crystal ball (don’t snort, it’s worth exactly as much as I paid for it) says she may be somewhat depressed due in part to that problem, and this is made worse by the fact that her attempts at fixing it aren’t working. She tries to make herself look good but, due to a bad choice of treatments, it backfires - yet she can’t understand that the problem isn’t her, it’s the stuff she’s using or the way she’s using it.
That’s not just an esthetic issue, it’s a medical issue. If you can’t talk with someone you care about re. a medical problem, you probably shouldn’t be the nearest person they have when they come down with the flu.