Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit

[Banquet_Bear]

@Babale

Nice try, BanquetBuddy - I see you’re, much like your heroes Hamas, trying to dictate terms.

…hold on:

@Banquet_Bear

So the evidence that these hospitals were “legitimate military targets” should be extensive. That they were being used as “military bases of operations”, there should be dossiers for every single attack. They would have been presented to the international media, to the ICJ, to the ICC, to the UN.

So where is it Babale? Now’s your chance. You can utterly destroy me here.

I’ll give you a starting point.

Timeline of the Gaza Strip healthcare collapse - Wikipedia

You can start from October 14th. Cite your sources.

Bolding mine.

They were the original terms.

@Babale

What I said I would dig up is the last time I rode this ridiculous merry go round with you, when I still thought there was a chance you were operating in good faith. Here you go:

And I said:

@Banquet_Bear

If the evidence supports your assertion, then it would suffice. Feel free to link.

So your assertion was:

@Babale

if you use a hospital as a military base of operations, it does in fact become a military targets

From the other link:

@Babale

Again, that article is simply gaslighting you.

There were significantly more weapons found than that. The videos of Shifa from the first couple days on the IDF official channel alone show far more than “11 guns”. This link has a picture from Shifa with dozens of guns.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b1redn64t

The idea that all that the IDF found at Al Shifa was a handful of guns is simply not true.

“Dozens of guns” doesn’t support your assertion.

As puzzlegal says: “it’s still not a very impressive haul.”

My response from that thread:

@Banquet_Bear

…the “number of guns found” is just missing the point.

For starters: we aren’t just talking about Al Shifa. We are talking about al-Rantisi, al-Nasr, Indonesian, al-Awda, the International eye hospital, al-Quds, Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital, the Psychiatric hospital. Hospitals have protected status in war. They cannot be attacked or otherwise prevented from performing their medical functions. There are situations that allow the protective status to be removed. But every expert in international law that I’ve seen have said the bar to removing that status hasn’t been met. Not at Al Shifa. Not at any of the other hospitals.

If this cache of arms, all gathered together in one place for a photo op is all of the evidence the IDF has, then that isn’t enough to have lifted the protections for a number of reasons, the most important being the IDF didn’t know about the alleged presence of weapons until they had taken over the hospital.

The conventions require more than evidence gathered after the hospital had been taken. To lose protected status hospitals would need to have been used as a “party to the conflict”, used to commit an “act harmful to the enemy”, and if there was any doubt about this, then they should be presumed not to be so used.

The claim was that under Al Shifa was a command and control bunker. That wasn’t what has been presented here. But even if that collection of weapons wasn’t stored weapons of combatants getting treatment (allowable under the conventions) that doesn’t explain what happened at the other hospitals in the north.

And the conventions provide that once taken over, the IDF should not prevent the doctors from performing their medical functions, and if they were unable to do so, then the IDF should have provided those services. But that didn’t happen at Al Shifa or at any of the other hospitals. Medical staff, patients and people sheltering at the hospitals were forcibly expelled from the hospitals. And those that were allowed to remain weren’t given the resources they needed, so had to abandon the hospital anyway. And once they left, critical equipment and infrastructure at the hospital were destroyed by the IDF.

These are the things that actually matter here. That hospitals in the north have been effectively taken out of action. Critical infrastructure is gone. And everyone that wasn’t able to get to the south (not that it matters anyway as the south is now a target) have no access to any sort of healthcare at all.

You can read further down the thread as we discuss this more. And…is that it?

Al Shifa? One hospital? What about all the other hospitals?

I haven’t shifted any goalposts. Your claim was “if you use a hospital as a military base of operations, it does in fact become a military targets.” So what about the attack on al-Ahli Arab Hospital on October the 14th? Why was it a military target?